No. The burden is on the Muslim Brotherhood. They have the history. Anyone who supports them assumes the same responsibility. If you think you can defend them, go ahead.

For the record, I dont think the Tea Party is a racist organization.

But simply that your videos of the Muslim Student Association are highly selective.

Religious organizations on college campuses attract a wide range of people, from those who want social connections to those who want to promote a radical agenda.

A Catholic student suggesting that doctors who perform legal abortions should be tried as murderers does not reflect the mission of a Newman Center or Catholic Students Association any more than selected extremists Muslims reflect the mission of the Muslim Students Association.

Christians will kill and die for their faith too.
Proof

Excuse me, what the fuck does the Tea Party have to do with this discussion.

I posted the video of them making highly inflamatory racist remarks and now you want to talk about the Tea Party????? what the fuck dude.

The defense does not have to prove innocence. The accuser (AKA you) has to prove guilt.

Cool, I fully support anyone who wants to die for their country. And I will gladly help those I disagree with get there sooner than me.

So what is your point. I don't give a shit about Christians. Or any other God Damm Religious perspective. I only care about the target.

The point is that your videos of the Muslim students are highly selective as I explained above. They make great propaganda for the haters.

Fuck off. Bull shit. You prove the Muslim Brotherhood is a fun loving organization that only wants to promote peace and love in the Middle East, not dominate the political positions exposed by the recent vacuum.

As are everyone of your opinions.

I count three logical fallacies, Mercenary.

Strawman argument
Appeal to ridicule
demanding proof of a negative.

But speaking from experience, the Muslim Brotherhood is no different than the Tea Party in America. Very loud, very obnoxious, and in the final analysis, not a very big deal.

I would agree.... well unless I lived in Egypt. Then I might be a bit more concerned. But these tools don't understand that, so let me have my fun! :D

Egypt is my home, and nobody pays any attention to the Muslim Brotherhood, except for the people who have already joined it.

They are not a viable political force, and back in the days when they attempted violence, they were about as scary as the Basques.

And thank you for that...

Oh how quaint. Don't like losing arguments, I see.

I have lost nothing. Happy happy joy joy!

You just called me a bitch?

You really are a piece of work, aren't you?

You are a prime example of why I despise Republicans. Utterly incapable of an adult conversation on any topic. And if they don't like what you say, they resort to nasty, ugly rhetoric against their opponent. Your mother must be so proud.

Just three?

Mercenary evidently does not have a problem with ludicrous and inflammatory claims that the Obama administration has been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood because he appointed the two Muslims to high policy positions in the Dept of Homeland Security.

He evidently doesnt have a problem with his extremist anti-Muslims sources smearing those two individuals either and suggesting that they have to prove their innocence.

You are silly. First, I am not a Republickin, you God Damm fool. You failed to convince me of your partisan bull shit, so you failed in a big way. No big deal. We just disagree. I could give a crap. None of your feelings or opinions change my lifestyle, my income, my relationships with other people, and really have no effect on me what so ever. No big deal. Just move on with your piece of shit life and quit blaming others for your crap life. Your opinions are insignificant. It really should not be life changing for you. Plenty of people in life disagree and you just happen to fall into the category of people who I think do not count.

Wait. All Muslims are in the Muslim Brotherhood?

But yet you can not prove me wrong.... carry on.

I have nothing against Muslims and you cannot prove as such.

:|

I certainly never said that!

And Fairly Unbalanced supports union activists who use violent messages to get support from the masses?

No, just that its ok to smear Muslims organizations in the US or Muslim citizens in the Obama administration with no documented proof and then require that they prove that they have no affiliation with the Muslim Brotherhood

I provided the links. I will let each individual make their own decisions.

Where did I smear "Muslim citizens in the Obama administration"?

You really are reaching now. Please, I mean other than Eric "The Racist" Holder... but I don't recall him being a Muslim....

I think you answered your own question there m'dear :p

Gotta say Merc, your attitude in this discussion is a little shocking to me. I'm all for robust political debate, but this has descended into outright nastiness and it seems mainly to be coming from you and mainly to be unprovoked. Telling people to fuck off and calling them bitches is no way to debate politics. I'm genuinely surprised. You can be an aggressive SOB in discussions, but you don't usually stoop that low.

I primarily agree with this. We don't need to know everything there is to know about covert operations. There's a reason those operations are "covert" in the first place.

But when your government has lied the country into war, has committed acts of torture, has exposed the identity of a CIA agent to further their political agenda, among other unnecessary lies and deceptions, it should be no wonder that when those who are angered by that behavior from our government, learn of a "secret" group who are charged with sneaking into other countries and killing people at the sole bequest of the Vice-President (which is what was apparently known at the time), that we would characterize them as "assassins".

Under a different government that has no known history of lying us into a war, risking people's lives to cover their own political asses, or torturing prisoners, when we learn of a covert operation to take out the Most Wanted Man in the world, we're less likely to first presume the worst.

This is a concept that Mercenary doesn't seem to grasp. But the American public grasped it handily in 2008 and voted the Party of Lies & Torture out on their asses. As you correctly point out, that is our primary remedy under our current form of government.

I part ways slightly with you on the contention that if you don't vote you can't complain. My husband is a resident alien, and as such, he's not allowed to vote. But what our government does or doesn't do still affects him as much as it does you or me. The same could be said of teens who haven't reached voting age yet. I don't think they shouldn't be allowed to complain. It should tell you something that you have to literally draw this man a picture in order to try to get him to understand what should have been clear with your first post. It tells me all I need to know, that even with this further illustration of your well-made point, his response is to cuss at you, too.

First of all, I recognize that I will not in any way change any one of their opinions in any way, no matter what I post, how many links I post, or what my opinion is... That is a given. It has become self evident. None of these people respect me or my opinion, a given, I can accept that. Why should I give them any quarter given the disparaging remarks and comment they have made towards me? Fuck that. I have no time or inclination to give any degree of respect for people like that. Life is what it is. Some people we get along with. Some we do not. Some we agree to disagree. These scumbags are none of the above. There is no mutual ground. I am completely cool with that. It changes none of my Karma.

"Fuck off", "you bitch," and now "you G-d Damn fool," "your piece of shit life," and "your crap life."

And this is "no big deal, we just disagree" in your world?

You know nothing of my life, dude. What's the matter with you? Are you mentally ill or something? You certainly seem to have come unhinged.

Karma disagrees with you, too.

But yet you could not respond to me with that. Ok. Cool. You are weak.


The rest of your points are insignificant and completely ridiculous. But free to believe your fantasy world...

She pretty much did Merc. You just weren't fucking listening.

Is this where you cry and tell us all how some Lender held a gun to your head to make you sign the paperwork for a screwed up loan? And then you turn around and blame it on the "system"?

No, the fool responded to someone else.

Wtf?

Ok. OSAMA is not dead! It was joke already... It was a conspiracy.

No. Quite simply because I wasn't discussing covert operations in general. I was attempting to explain to you why your allegation of hypocrisy on the part of the Left was misplaced, by pointing out the difference between how the American public is treated by each of the Administrations in question.

You're the one who picked apart my post and gave a series of point-by-point "you don't need to know [this particular thing]" retorts.

Not. The. Point. Dude.

What I'm trying to get through your pointy little head is that if:

Person A REPEATEDLY LIES TO YOU WITH KNOWN FALSEHOODS, ENGAGES IN COVER-UPS, SECRETLY COMMITS CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST PRISONERS, AND VARIOUS OTHER DECEPTIONS, but

Person B CONSISTENTLY KEEPS THE PUBLIC INFORMED, HAS NO HISTORY OF FALSIFYING FACTS TO TAKE US TO WAR, AND HAS NOT COMMITTED ANY CRIMINAL ACTS AGAINST PRISONERS

Person B is more likely to be given the benefit of the doubt about the use of covert arms of our military.

But instead of responding to the actual point, you told me to fuck off, called me a bitch and a G-d damn fool, and laughingly referred to my life as crap, simply because you're completely incapable of grasping nuance or articulating a rebuttal argument of any merit.

I don't trust that you'll understand this reasoning, but for the casual reader, there it is.

I just don't care what you think about anything..... You have not changed my mind. You are a God Damm Fool.

The fact that Jill hasn't changed your mind doesn't really tell us anything about Jill. It might however say quite a bit about you.

If the definition of a God Damn Fool is that they cannot change your mind with their aguments then everyone is a God Damn Fool.

And this is why you are such a fool...

You believe that Obama has done none of this....

Go to bed now and drink a small glass of warm milk. It will make you sleep better little girl. Good night.

GD Fool.

Who pissed in your Cheerios this morning, Merc?

Obama probably.

Cool. Why is that?

I cannot be swayed by some bullshit to see her way? She is right and I am wrong? Oh please explain that one to me Dana? She is nothing more than a person on the internet with an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I reckon you should both cool your jets before you launch yourselves into space. lol

Obviously there was a different understanding of the whole 'need to know' statement and it's resulted in a big argument.

Now you can both just kiss and make up or I'll kick both of your arses. :D

eta: and Merc, you know the name calling isn't cool mate. You're better than that.

I missed something here, which one of them is upset that bin Laden is dead?

I didn;t say she was right, or that you are wrong. I was merely pointing out that you are probably one of the most entrenched individuals I have ever encountered, so the fact that she has been unable to change your views with her arguments becomes meaningless.

And yes, she is just a person on the internet airing her views and attempting to have a political debate with another person on the internet, you. Neither of you are any more or less than that. So why are you treating her with such utter disdain and lack of respect. Nothing she has said, that I have read, in anyway merits the kind of aggression you're displaying.

I really don't understand the need for some of the language that has been used here, it's like being back on one of those horrible boards that are frequented by teenagers.

Sorry, dear, there'll be no kissing and making up on my part. I'm attempting to debate. Misunderstandings are par for the course. Calling me a bitch and a G-d damn fool and telling me to fuck off aren't generally expected in a debate. Nor are they things I will tolerate from a debate partner. There's no "good faith" on his part, so I have no faith that he will debate honestly or constructively. Hence, no kissing from me.

Let the ass kicking begin if it pleases you.

LMAO! Touché!

Consider your arse metaphorically kicked then. ;)

Certainly not me! I'm celebrating like it's Purim! :p:

I think Merc's pissed off that it happened now :p

Is Osama Dead??!?!? Damm, what did I miss?

Ok.

I know you are but what am I?

I guess because she has done nothing more than get what she has given. No big deal, it is what it is...

Ooo, the other side now, please. ;)



P.S. Whoever edited the tags, I love you, man! Best laugh I've had most of the day!

Its been a load of laughs in a perverted sorta way.

Time to class it up with a poem

IF
If you can keep your head when all (or just one) about you
Are (is) losing theirs (or his) and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all (or one) men doubt you,
But make allowance for their (or his) doubting too;

Ah, Kipling, one of my favorites.

It certainly has been. . . interesting. LOL

Yeah. And after that rousing little trip down the rabbithole, I am off to bed :p