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TGRR 04-08-2009 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 553953)
Help me , Obiwan....you are my only hope.

Fuck that. I'm too busy with some three-titted woman I found in the Mos Eisley Cantina.

Obiwan,
Pimp.

sugarpop 04-10-2009 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 553298)
Obama Wants to Control the Banks
There's a reason he refuses to accept repayment of TARP money.



Just an opinion piece, but an interesting one.

The government had said over and over that they will take the money back, IF the banks are solvent and there is no danger of a future catastrophe. that makes sense to me. They are in the process of doing "stress tests" on the banks. After those are over, I imagine they will be taking some money back.

I was on the phone with BoA the other day and the girl I was speaking with said they have started repaying the money. I wonder if that was true.

classicman 04-10-2009 01:14 PM

Did you read the actual link and the rest of the conversation sugar?

sugarpop 04-10-2009 01:32 PM

I read the article on another forum, and yes, I did read all the responses from the past few days about this.

#1, Rick Wagoner should have been fired ages ago. The fact that GM came grovelling to Washington for taxpayers to bail them out made Washington in effect the BOD. The board has the power to fire someone who is ineffectual, which is what happened here, and IMO should happen at some banks as well. If GM had not confiscated and crushed all the electric cars they made back in the 90s, they might be on top right now. But no, they made stupid decisions and inferior cars, and now they are in trouble. As for cars, fuel efficient cars should be mandated, for health reasons, and for national security reasons. Anyone who doesn't get that is just stupid.

#2, something needs to be done about executive pay. We have been needing this for a very, very long time. I am hoping they extend it to all companies, not just those taking TARP money.

#3, Class warfare was declared on the middle class years ago. It's time the middle class got someone in their corner fighting back for them, since they really have no power to do it themselves, other than taking up arms and fighting a bloody revolution against corporations and government, for not looking out for their interests.

#4, it is friggin' ridiculous to think Obama actually wants to control banks. IMO he isn't going far enough. If the people in charge had been doing their jobs this crisis would not have happened. So, if capitalism loses ground to socialism, they can only blame themselves. And hip hip hooray.

classicman 04-10-2009 02:03 PM

Then you know the Gov't REFUSED to take the money back in this case, right?

sugarpop 04-10-2009 06:01 PM

No I don't. I don't know what the circumstances were, because the writer did not tell us. the writer did not even tell us which bank it was. If the government is not taking the money back right now, when they are taking from other banks, there must be a reason.

Oh, and since the bank was threatened with an audit if they didn't take the money, and that's why they took the money (because they didn't want an audit), it makes me wonder what they were hiding.

Bad Luck McGhee 04-13-2009 10:42 PM

This is the most laughable idea I've seen in a while. I have a friend who teaches at an inner city public school and she can't even get her students to do homework. The teachers don't even bother assigning it because they basically get the middle finger because the students know that they can't do anything except fail them for the assignment...which they don't care about anyway. There is no physical way for the government to force all young people everywhere in this country to do anything. One of the students in her class spelled the word energy as ANOGEY. It took us about 10 minutes to figure out what the hell it was supposed to be because they don't even write in complete sentences. I am horrified that there are people in this country with inadequate education who can barely read who will be one day expected to become decision making adults and contributors to society in a positive way. We aren't adequately addressing the most basic problems that our country is dealing with right now, so who gives a damn about "baby boomers" volunteering?

sugarpop 04-16-2009 12:54 AM

I agree. The schools are a mess. Teachers have no power. It really is ridiculous, what it's come to. I think they should just expel all the ones who aren't there to learn.

Aliantha 04-16-2009 12:55 AM

There are some schools over here considering bringing back corporal punishment.

I think this is a good idea, but then, I also have been known to give my kids a smack when they're being naughty.

xoxoxoBruce 04-16-2009 02:38 AM

Maybe it's time that no child has a behind left.

piercehawkeye45 04-17-2009 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 556746)
I agree. The schools are a mess. Teachers have no power. It really is ridiculous, what it's come to. I think they should just expel all the ones who aren't there to learn.

Eh, the will just be on the streets a few years earlier...

Inner city kids will listen to teachers that they respect (like non-inner city kids :eek:). But that category fits so few it really causes problems.

sugarpop 04-18-2009 09:40 PM

Well, in Savannah the kids do not listen to any teachers, for the most part. It is a small minority causing the problems though. Those kids should be kicked out, or they should have "boot camp" classes for the troublemakers, or something. It isn't fair to the rest of the kids.

TheMercenary 04-19-2009 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 557634)
Well, in Savannah the kids do not listen to any teachers, for the most part. It is a small minority causing the problems though. Those kids should be kicked out, or they should have "boot camp" classes for the troublemakers, or something. It isn't fair to the rest of the kids.

Can you imagine the liberal outcry? The parents of those kids would claim racism.

classicman 04-19-2009 11:56 AM

They're just misunderstood Merc. :eyebrow:

sugarpop 04-19-2009 02:36 PM

So what? If they're causing trouble they're causing trouble. I don't care what color their skin is. As long as the rules are applied fairly across the board, no one can bitch about anything. Make sure the rules are understood every year beforehand. It might not be such a bad idea to put cameras in the classrooms either, for proof of misbehavior.

classicman 04-19-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 557884)
So what? If they're causing trouble they're causing trouble. I don't care what color their skin is.

Thats the second or third time you brought race into a conversation when it was never brought up before. Where is that comin from?

TheMercenary 04-19-2009 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 557884)
So what? If they're causing trouble they're causing trouble. I don't care what color their skin is. As long as the rules are applied fairly across the board, no one can bitch about anything. Make sure the rules are understood every year beforehand. It might not be such a bad idea to put cameras in the classrooms either, for proof of misbehavior.

You know as well as I do that the Demoncrats in this city would never see it that way.

sugarpop 04-20-2009 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 557980)
Thats the second or third time you brought race into a conversation when it was never brought up before. Where is that comin from?

My dear classicman, I was replying to THE FOLLOWING POST when I said that, so ask Merc why he brought race into, 'K?

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 557772)
Can you imagine the liberal outcry? The parents of those kids would claim racism.


TGRR 04-20-2009 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 558021)
You know as well as I do that the Demoncrats in this city would never see it that way.

Good thing you're not a fanatic, or anything. :3eye:

TheMercenary 04-20-2009 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 558056)
My dear classicman, I was replying to THE FOLLOWING POST when I said that, so ask Merc why he brought race into, 'K?

Because you know as well as I do that any attempt to remove the "troublemakers" would hit the black kids at a much higher rate than the minority white kids.

classicman 04-20-2009 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 558056)
My dear classicman, I was replying to THE FOLLOWING POST when I said that, so ask Merc why he brought race into, 'K?

Yup - I missed that - Merc WTF?

sugarpop 04-20-2009 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 558103)
Because you know as well as I do that any attempt to remove the "troublemakers" would hit the black kids at a much higher rate than the minority white kids.

WHOEVER is causing trouble should be put in special classes or expelled. It should not matter what color they are. And if the majority of them are black, then so be it. They can't really scream racism because we have elected two black mayors, back to back. So it isn't a racist issue. And I'm pretty sure the mayor would get behind it. He is a pretty cool guy, from what I understand.

I suggested cameras in the classroom for this very reason. You can't really whine if you're caught on tape.

classicman 04-20-2009 10:04 PM

^^^ Wow, just wow. ^^^

TheMercenary 04-20-2009 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 558345)
WHOEVER is causing trouble should be put in special classes or expelled. It should not matter what color they are. And if the majority of them are black, then so be it.

Oh I don't disagree with you at all.

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They can't really scream racism because we have elected two black mayors, back to back. So it isn't a racist issue.
Sure they can.

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And I'm pretty sure the mayor would get behind it. He is a pretty cool guy, from what I understand.
I have no opinion other than stuff I have read about him in the paper he really does not have much effect on my life.

sugarpop 04-20-2009 10:20 PM

Michael has met him numerous times and talked with him. He really likes him.

sugarpop 04-20-2009 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 558351)
^^^ Wow, just wow. ^^^

Look classic, I understand where Merc is coming from. There is still a lot of racism here, on both sides. Blacks are just as guilty of it as whites are. It was something I had to adapt to when coming back here after living in Los Angeles for 10 years, because I dont't feel that way myself.

I know someone who substitute teaches here in high school. From what she has told me, and she teaches all over in every public school, there really is a serious problem with the students. It is a small number of them, and while I don't know what the actual percentage is, she has said many of the people causing problems are black. There are actually two kids in 7th grade, one who is 17 and one who is 16. Those people should not be in school anymore if they can't get past the 7th grade at those ages. And Mary is not a racist.

My ex worked for a sound company that works all over. He worked the graduations in Macon GA for the past two years. There is one school there that is so bad, he was afraid to leave the sound booth. And he said it was the parents acting up as much as the students. That was a black school. There was only one white student in the graduating class.

When someone like Bill Cosby comes out and say things about how many people in the black community are raising their kids, people need to pay attention. It isn't about the whole community, it is about part of it. People like Jesse Jackson don't help the issue. And white (trash) people are just as bad now. Just look at Britney Spears. :eek:

classicman 04-21-2009 10:39 PM

Democratic Senator's husband's firm cashes in on crisis
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On the day the new Congress convened this year, Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation to route $25 billion in taxpayer money to a government agency that had just awarded her husband's real estate firm a lucrative contract to sell foreclosed properties at compensation rates higher than the industry norms.

Mrs. Feinstein's intervention on behalf of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was unusual: the California Democrat isn't a member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs with jurisdiction over FDIC; and the agency is supposed to operate from money it raises from bank-paid insurance payments - not direct federal dollars.

Documents reviewed by The Washington Times show Mrs. Feinstein first offered Oct. 30 to help the FDIC secure money for its effort to stem the rise of home foreclosures. Her letter was sent just days before the agency determined that CB Richard Ellis Group (CBRE) - the commercial real estate firm that her husband Richard Blum heads as board chairman - had won the competitive bidding for a contract to sell foreclosed properties that FDIC had inherited from failed banks.

About the same time of the contract award, Mr. Blum's private investment firm reported to the Securities and Exchange Commission that it and related affiliates had purchased more than 10 million new shares in CBRE. The shares were purchased for the going price of $3.77; CBRE's stock closed Monday at $5.14.

Spokesmen for the FDIC, Mrs. Feinstein and Mr. Blum's firm told The Times that there was no connection between the legislation and the contract signed Nov. 13, and that the couple didn't even know about CBRE's business with FDIC until after it was awarded.
Yeh sure... :eyebrow:

Bullitt 04-21-2009 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 558385)
When someone like Bill Cosby comes out and say things about how many people in the black community are raising their kids, people need to pay attention. It isn't about the whole community, it is about part of it. People like Jesse Jackson don't help the issue. And white (trash) people are just as bad now. Just look at Britney Spears. :eek:

Wait you mean a parent shoulders responsibility for raising their child, and can be held accountable to a significant degree if that kid grows up a detriment to society (disabilities not included)?! I'm shocked, shocked i tell you. I try not to be a know-it-all 22 year old, but its pretty easy to see that shouldering personal responsibility and accountability is central in raising a child, let alone the path you lead your own life down.

sugarpop 04-22-2009 06:55 PM

I mean that a significant number of parents are doing lousy jobs raising their kids, and that goes for black, white, latino, all races.

classicman 04-22-2009 07:00 PM

^^^ **NEWSFLASH** ^^^

xoxoxoBruce 04-23-2009 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt (Post 558951)
Wait you mean a parent shoulders responsibility for raising their child, and can be held accountable to a significant degree if that kid grows up a detriment to society (disabilities not included)?! I'm shocked, shocked i tell you.

As well you should be by such nonsense.
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