It may be too late, Jim.

monster. you;re upsetting roger.

There's no "upsetting" Roger. Roger was born upset.

Huh. Well, this'll really suck for me if you continue aggravating them, because I actually like this place.

I mean, really, did we do that shitty of a job on Safari? I didn't think we were huge, insulting jerks, were we?

no

(i'm done, so don't worry about it no more....)

I'm out too.
They reacted VERY differently there than we did here. I'm blamin them.
Hang around Tiki - you're a keeper.

yeah....that realy kicked up a notch....

I guess we should abandon the project.


sorry for those of you that slept through the hilarity.

Every forum and every individual reacts differently... you can't know how ANYONE's going to react.

Just as there were dozens of people here who didn't join this expedition to PD.com, there are dozens of people THERE who don't Safari. You happened to encounter some of them.

You guys said some disparaging things in our Safari thread here that we could have used as excuses to act disgusted, escalate hostilities, or insult you for not having a sense of humor. Instead, we feel that it is our responsibility to try to get a sense for the local culture and the local jokes, and not come out swinging and ruin the expedition.

You completely missed our jokes, and then called us stupid and humorless for not getting yours.

If you guys ever try to Safari again, I sincerely hope you will brush up on the idea of diplomacy, or you're not on Safari - you're just plain old-fashioned trolling.

ummm...
BULLSHIT

(did that cover it?)

we didn't get your jokes, you didn't get ours... equal, no?

(I think you're just pissed that we had more fun than you did, 'cause we're llike a COMMUNITY and all....)

ok.....
stop!

let's try this again in the morning. NO INSULTING THE LOCALS. that is the prime directive.

if they insult you....rise above it. remember how capn howdy was acting...

we're doing this on THEIR FORUM. so be accommodating.

if you cant, stay on the fucking ship.

this CANNOT result in a forum war. I won't have it.

am I clear!?

oh yeah.....

sir yes sir - ya cock!

report to the brig. you're on report

Again????????
(shuffles off to the brig wearing his "red shirt")

We had a lot of fun, and our trip lasted several days without incident. Are you trying to say that we're not a "community" over there? :headshake
Our goals were to NOT pick fights, and we know from experience that it's not easy to board a strange forum without raising hackles and unintentionally offending people, so that's our goal... it's easy to pick fights, not so easy to show up en masse and get along.

I think that, again, you're missing the point. You got butthurt because nobody thought you were funny, but that's part of the challenge of a Safari... plain trolling is EASY, and when you start trying to bait a forum to get a negative response, it's just trolling, is all I'm saying. You went to PD and started trolling, and you got the desired response... raised hackles. Fun? Sure, trolling can be fun. It's not the point of a Safari, though. :D

Okay, there's clearly something I'm not getting here.

I had a crappy night at work, and was unable to check in on either Cellar or on the discordian site.

I'm an R.A. Wilson fan, and pretty much know what's the game is on the Discordian side ... but as I was reading through the away team thread, it seemed as if the Natives were quite hostile out of the gate.

On the one hand, I'm sorry I missed it, but on the other, well, I'm not.

I thought that the Safari from P-D was a pretty cool thing, and as initially planned, playing back also seemed like fun.

P-D obviously had other ideas. Although the situation devolved pretty rapidly, the first shots were by them across our bow.

And people wonder why the Israelis keep shooting back at Hamas ...

When I say "you", I am being quite specific... there were only a couple of posters who went in on this trip and got insulting. Things escalated when some folks didn't get the response they were looking for, so they turned from visiting to baiting. I'm just pointing this out in case you want to try again at some point... I'm not being pissy.

If you're interested in seeing the PD.com development of the Safari concept so far, just search "Safari", and there are a few threads where we discussed where we went wrong on some of the earlier ones, and when we started hitting on a formula that worked, how we refined our approach for the desired result... NOT pissing off the natives, smoothing over cultural misunderstandings (one time I got banned for mentioning taking pictures! Who knew?) and leaving the forums with our objectives intact: entertaining ourselves, learning a bit of the culture on other boards, and hopefully enticing a few new people to join us on the next Safari.

One thing to keep in mind is that only a few people from PD venture out on Safari, so the bulk of the people you were talking to on that thread had not participated in the expedition here. Another thing to keep in mind is that the existing culture of any given board is going to have in-jokes that may not sound welcoming from the outsider perspective, and reacting to those as hostility is simply going to escalate the situation.

And some people you just can't take anywhere nice. ;)
After the grumbling here I went to take a look at the battlefield, but couldn't find anything except a couple of LJ's solo threads.

Also, I must say 20 minutes poking around the site fucking near gave me a headache with the avatars, signatures, and extraneous bullshit. My god, they're lucky to get 10 lines of actual posts on a page.

Wolf, did you read the thread over there?

Of those of us who responded on the first five pages, Badges was skeptical right out of the gate. Obecalp decided it was annoying. Roger, Fomenter, Mormons, and Cramulus were enthusiastic, excited, and ready to play. Rosenstock and Fuquad made skeptical comments, but then Fuquad decided to play. Rosenstock abstained. Cainad joined in and signalled his friendliness by posting kittens. So far, that's three skeptics and six players. None of the skeptics had been to the Cellar, and only three of the six players had.

Then on page five, this:
[quote author=three of nine link=topic=19576.msg653111#msg653111 date=1233720046]
Captain, sensors do not detect any female life forms on this forum. It is possible that the entire forum has been infected with teh ghey but I am not detecting any unusual show tune activity...
[/quote]
was deemed unamusing. It got one WTF, one midget, and Roger declared the thread fail. We were not, however, at endgame, only at skepticism. No one was pissy. The natives were questioning the intent of the invading party.

One native declared the game over, but everyone else was still playing. However, the expedition decided to declare the natives "prickly".

Comments like:
[quote author=Lt. Uh-Hoo-Haa link=topic=19576.msg653134#msg653134 date=1233720748]
I believe we need to penetrate more deeply to satisfy our needs
[/quote]
[quote author=Lt. Uh-Hoo-Haa link=topic=19576.msg653131#msg653131 date=1233720685]
Initial communications indicate the Rogering reverand is the local equivalent of a redshirt
[/quote]
[quote author=Lt. Uh-Hoo-Haa link=topic=19576.msg653147#msg653147 date=1233721028]
Captain, communications are primitive... responses are delayed by interruptions to the point of them not making any sense by th time they are completed. oh wait....
[/quote]

Were not received well.

Fomenter and Mormons were still playing. Everyone else but Roger had dropped out.

Then more baiting:
[quote author=Nurse Chippie link=topic=19576.msg653176#msg653176 date=1233721925]
< takes out tricorder to anal-yze the religious leader<
[/quote]

Obecalp jabbed back a bit:

[quote author=Obecalp link=topic=19576.msg653178#msg653178 date=1233721962]
Hahhaha I GET IT THEY CHANGED THE NAMES OF THE CHARACTERS AND MADE IT REFER TO THE INTERNET
What do you want
A gold star
http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:...a/goldstar.jpg
[/quote]

Hoo-Haa escalates:

[quote author=Lt. Uh-Hoo-Haa link=topic=19576.msg653185#msg653185 date=1233722245]
captain! We have complee interpretation of a message! text follows:

I shout because my penis is so small that even if I wasn't a nerd the chicks would laugh at me....
[/quote]

... OK, as you can probably see at this point, the situation was lost. Another of the invading crew joined in the baiting, more natives retaliated, more of the invading crew escalated, and the whole boarding went to hell.

It was really just the baited comments of two of the boarding crew members that made the whole thing go to shit, and IME it would have happened anywhere... negotiating an expedition without incident takes diplomacy.

IME this forum has far too much extraneous bullshit. Try one that's really stripped-down: http://anteaterbathtubs.org/

xoxo you need a membership to see the section your space voyagers base thread is in.

to the rest of the away team, we are exited you guys took up the challenge and started a safari on our site, your mission can continue if you want it to, as tiki said we have worked on making our safaris better with each outing and pd is a great place to give it a work out. there were mistakes but there always will be, some times its tough to not slide into a troll but that is a part of the mission.

we don't have any hard rules but the general idea is yuck it up in your base thread and any humor threads you find on sites you visit and keep posts in serious threads intelligent on topic and in character, this and the suggestions made by tiki will help keep you on good terms with the natives.
i hope you all come back and give it another try tomorrow or at least spend some time looking around our site

no hard feelings.
fomenter aka sir john

No thanks, I'd have to register to see that site.

Tiki, I'm not dissing your forum but look, here's what I'm talking about. Three lines of post on a whole screen.
http://cellar.org/2009/page1.jpg

And of course Roger can use a whole 19 inch screen with one line of post.
http://cellar.org/2009/page2.jpg

I've seen a lot of forums that look the same way, probably more that do than don't. I suppose you get used to it, although the other forum I frequently visit is like that and I still find it annoying when my scrolling finger starts to cramp up just trying to follow along. :haha:

*chuckles* I'm sorry. I thought that was really funny.

I am sure if I started an account and could see the whole thread I'd be able to see the problem; but the segments you've posted don't explain anything to me. There's nothing there that's so awful as to suggest trolling rather than playing.

In character or not, we take our culture with us.

I'm still trying to work out whether it's worth it or not.
One thing we didn't do here was stomp on their thread.
We didn't tell them they were lame, tell them to fuck off, tell them they had no sense of humour or that they had failed.

I think I'll stay here. When people contain themselves to one thread here we are polite. We only get arsey when they spam the board.

And I hate it, hate it, hate it when people lie.
Claiming that seeing what you wrote in chat proves it was a hostile act?
Cunt.

I'm glad I chose not to participate. Although I doubt LJ would have allowed it.

Obviously I was the only one who misbehaved during their invasion. If I had done this, Georgia would be the blame again.
Seems to me they will ALLOW you on their forum as long as you kiss their asses, an act of which I am inept.
I think they were treated nicely considering they all reeked of trolldom.
And don't look now, but PD has a spy among us that is pming your every move. I retract that. Not a spy....an INSIDER.

True control freaks would have just banned everybody.

I'm going back in. The idea is to ignore unfriendly/indirect statements completely and stay in character.

Do not be baited in any way.

right!

bruce, avatars and signatures can be disabled in each users profile prefs. its a lot cleaner that way and more SFW

Jim, am I still alive or have I attended my last mission?

i cant tell anyone what to do, but i would ask that you do as T suggests. keep it light, dont take the bait

I missed the away Mission ??!!!
Dudes WTF !!!!!

I missed this whole deal.

Is anyone a tribble? That would be the only thing I would know to be...I could just roll around and chortle a lot.

Thanks ma'am. I am going to register now. :D

Then more baiting:
[quote author=Nurse Chippie link=topic=19576.msg653176#msg653176 date=1233721925]
< takes out tricorder to anal-yze the religious leader<
[/quote]
Srsly how is this baiting? It is a real word with a hyphen, it was supposed to be funny. I never said anything personal or insulting and I was not baiting anyone. I know how to flame and bait and I am good at it but I have not done that on a forum in years. Time for a humor check to see if that culture even has a sense of humor.:eyebrow:

well. let's have another go, but read this first:

.

I am William T. Ratter: Captain


Damn peeps. Don't fuck it up before I have a chance to play!!!1 ;)

Sounds very much like a ST TOS to me, we come in peace, shoot to kill.

I was going to be Scotty esque, but apparently there isn't a Spock, so if I ever get chance to work up a character I'll do that.

The posts that they're most pissed off about seem to be some of the funniest ones, by our standards ...

They also seem to curse a lot more than we do here.

Is this how Brits feel when they come to America for a visit?

Well, not precisely ... I have breasteseses.

I'm T'Pringle, Vulcan Science Officer, with a fetish for snack foods.

Quote:

Welcome, Captain Ratter! Your account has been activated manually by the admin and you can now login and post. Your username is: Captain Ratter You may change it after you login by going to the profile page, or by visiting this page after you login: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/fo...action=profile

I'm in.

I'm not sorry ur finger is ghey.

Yeah, that would be a most excellent option.

When they came here... make that when some of them came here... I read each post carefully because an email address of "@spamcorptastic.com" made me wonder what they were up to. It was clear they were going out of their way to avoid confrontation, and carefully sidestepping remarks from us that would have prompted several smartass replies had it been the other way round. I'm sure they are just as suspicious and some may not even be aware some of their group have been here.

Keep in mind, not everyone is into star trek, also. Play nice.

I don't have a name :(

(and I know nothing about star trek...so no I can't come up with one on my own)

We swear up a blue streak, and yeah, by PD standards, jokes about underendowed nerds, being gay, and not having any women fall under the "sixth grade stupid-ass humor" category. Fart jokes are generally considered funnier than "UR a ghey nrd and U has no gurrrrlz!" type "jokes".

Every place has their own senses of humor. What Cellar guys think is funny is based on a culture that has grown here.

Some of the PD humor will probably be baffling or unrecognizable to you. The legislator's office, prolapse, furbies, Arial, and starting a pention may all be mentioned and may not even seem like jokes. If you read something that appears to make no sense at all, it's probably a joke.

The new team seems to be off to a good start... hopefully it'll go well today!

Those of you who hate the avatar and sig images, you can simply turn them off in Preferences. I like the avatars because they help me keep track of people, but I usually turn off sig images.

Keeping track of people can be a challenge because users can change their handles at will in their user CP.

Someone mentioned knowing about Discordianism because of being a RAW fan. RAW was also a fan of Discordianism, but he's a somewhat controversial figure in Discordia because a lot of people... OK wait, I'm not going to try to explain this. Uncle Bob is mostly liked, but also mostly not considered representative of Discordia.

Last but not least, Mole? Explain pls.

There is a Spock its V he just has not posted yet.

You're right on mark.

It's almost impossible to get banned there. The admins are completely ignoring you... I don't think ANY of them have posted in your thread. There are only three rules.

Also, if the folks here can avoid viewing the folks there as a hivemind, and keep in mind that 90% of the time we don't agree with each other, it will make for a smoother mission. I assume it's pretty much the same way here? There's no real power hierarchy, and nobody represents anyone. It's pretty much unmodded.

* Spock V

I went with Ensign Amatazz, per jim's first post

photoshopping now

Lot's of jokes aren't that funny to some people.... getting all rabid crazy pissed off by something that's obviously meant to be humorous is funny... in a we're-laughing-at-you-not-with-you kind of way. That's what happened there...

Giving yourselves style point for how you visit another site en mass, and telling other people ur doin it rong.... also funny.

Stomping around our chat room like drunken assholes... funny the first time.

Sorry missed it, i'll go back to my Saurian Brandy.

It was the chat thing that pissed me off. coming in there and telling us how it should be, fuck right off. And Tiki, FWIW you're busy doing exactly what you're preaching about - like the COMMUNITY thing -a joke, hon. A poor one maybe, but like you said if it seems out of context.....

and Roger just needs to get over himself. you all act like he's a god or a lumberjim or something ;)

However, believe it or not, I'm not all about peeing on anyone's parade, so hope that my crapness at being unable to ignore the natives is overcome already.

I just read the whole thread,
In the words of the enlightened Keanu Reeves "whoa".

hysterical, huh?

i think it's going MUCH better now.

Can I get a tribble pic with some big giant titties on it? kthx.

Seriously, this comp has no paint.

I am impressed at how you guys turned this thing around. I should like to join you!