TheMercenary, I think all those things are going to happen regardless of the outcome of the election - in fact, they're already happening.

"The results of the searches were not publicly released and remain confidential, she wrote."

Really? So how did that info make it to the press???? Hmmmmm. How is that we are talking about those details now????? Hmmmmm. Seems like someone on the inside with an axe to grid got the info out to all of us so we could talk about it.

You may be right. When I read the reports of what AGI and many of the banks are doing with the Bail Out Cash it makes me think they are still not being appropriately regulated.

Originally Posted by Shawnee123 View Post
I could write your posts before you do. I'm more inclined to actually listen to Merc, because he does tend to say more than "look at how you suck...your posts suck, hey everyone can I get some validation that t-dub sucks because I am like a little dog in the tall grass always jumping up to see what everyone else is doing."

Oh sorry - didn't read this as I still have you on ignore ad you and I agreed to do not too long ago. I stuck by it. Guess you didn't. Anyway...

Yeh thats pretty funny, comparing me to the little dog jumping up for attention. Hmm, I'm not half the attention whore you are deary. Please put me back on ignore like we agreed. kthxbai.

Bwaaahaaahaaa...you weren't ignoring. HA. I knowed it!

Oh, I am an attention whore. That isn't what I was saying about you, deerie: I was saying you are a namby pamby little man who wouldn't take a poo if you weren't completely sure at least one other person on earth poos as well. :urinal: I guess your poor reading skills are why you have been asking since April "oh dear me, who should I vote for, what should I do? Where are my smelling salts?"


kthxbai!!!!!!!! :grinnylov

Thanks Merc, for the thoughtful response. Yes, I am having fun and being evil at you and (mostly) c-man's expense, but my prob with him came about a long time ago.

I don't agree with you, but when have I EVER been able to bring about points that I might have without you and (mostly) Robin chiming in to tell me I'm stupid. And by ME I mean anyone who has hope that Obama is the real deal.

I truly hope that whomever is elected gives our country some hope. I did not vote for the last 8 years of stupidity, and I didn't even vote for "my" congressman. I have hope in Obama. I could be way wrong. Don't you think that I wonder sometimes how I will feel if I am completely wrong and we get f*cked even more? As much as I feel that McCain, and by extension Palin, are wrong for our country, I haven't said the shitty things I've heard from you and Tonto's mouths.

So I'm glad we can agree to disagree Merc. I think both our hearts might be in the right place. :)

I am not telling you that you are stupid. I am just having an exchange of ideas to maybe get you to understand where I am coming from in my thinking. I did not vote for Obama or McCain. But I voted. I don't want to see any group suffer. I just think that people are being sold a bill of goods that will be impossible for Obama to deliver on. I will be around to remind him and his supporters of the difference between what you were told you were promised and what you got in it's place.

I think every president since the beginning has sold a bill of goods they can't ALWAYS NECESSARILY deliver, at least the ones who had to campaign. Remember "read my lips...blah blah blah"?

They deliver what they can, what they can get through congress or whatever, but they have always and will always present it as "this is what I'm gonna do." THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. And I, at least, vote for the one whose IDEAS most closely match the things I find important. THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

Can I have an itemized list of any of the past 10 president's "campaign" promises and how many of those promises actually came to fruition?

Obama is no different, just because you don't like him. I seriously hope you don't point for 4 years, because then I will have to ignore you. ;)

He hasn't won yet, and the Democrats have a long record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Just sayin'...

Personally, I think the election is going to be given to Obama because this country will go ballistic if it has to deal with another four years of the last 8 years worth of republican crap. O'bama is really going to be nothing more than a panacea for the really bad ill will that has been brewing in the voting public.

Certainly you must feel that this is different and the media circus and supposed aura around this guy is different? It is like how people swooned over the Beatles in the 60's, a rock star mentality that makes people stop thinking with their heads.

How did what info make it into the press? The fact that they did the searches? The results of the searches are still private. We choose to assume he hasn't broken the law because they haven't brought any charges on him, and he says that he has no child support to pay and has never received welfare. He made that part public.

Info that he even owed child support. That he even owed back taxes. That only came out after someone did a search and put it in the press. That is the reason that an investigation was started in the first place to see how that info made it to the press and who did the searches. The only thing that may have been protected to this point is PID, ssn, ex-wife's name and address, etc.

And there you go again. Why do you not only assume that Obama supporters are mindless sheep, you damn near assert it?

I am not stupid. I read. I listen. I make up my own mind. I find it extremely insulting that you imply I'm an idiot. It isn't about his supposed aura. But we have gotten to the gist of every post you have made in regards to this election: you are bound and determined to enlighten us who are blind, to steer those of us with no wheel, and deliver us from our mindless following of a cult leader.

I thought you just really had strong opinions. I see now you think I'm stupid in comparison to you and yours.

Thanks though, I'll live in my fog, if that's what you think it is. I don't think it's a fog, however. I may not have 47000 college degrees, rkz (oh, sorry) but I have an education, and I assure you I'm no mindless fool nor am I one to follow a crowd, unless that crowd is right, in my (informed and aware) eyes.

And by snatching you mean stealing, right?

Guess the D's are learning. The R's are not the only ones playin this game.

You are reading to much into my comments. Take a chill pill, I made no such assertions. If you put yourself into a group of people who are blindly voting for Obama then that is something you ascribe to yourself, not me.

No, I am not reading too much into your comments. You likened Obama to the Beatles and his following to a thousand screaming teenyboppers. Surely you have more respect for us than that, and surely you aren't going to go back to the "you just didn't understand what I said" argument when what you said was very, very clear.

SO basically you are saying that there are not a majority of voters who are voting for Obama because 1) Anyone but McCain/Republickin and or 2)He is black and or 3)They just like him better because he is young and or 4)He sounds so hip when he talks.

And that there are not people just voting for McCain because 1)Anyone but a Democrat and or 2)He is right-to-life and or 3)He is white and or 4)He has been around a lot longer.

IMHO there are a lot of people on both sides of the issue who have no freaking clue what either canidate stands for.

Oh for fuck's sake. Quit lumping me into this "everybody" and quit trying to find ways to show that anything you've said regarding WHY people choose who they vote for is any different than any other reason people have ever chosen who they vote for.

My god do you listen to yourself?

Charisma in a pol you support, is a remarkable leadership quality.

In a pol you don't support, is fiendish trickery.

Me, I've come to admire it. Getting people to like you. I wish I were better at it. I wish I had Reagan's natural disarming charm, Clinton's conveyance of immediate compassion, Obama's remarkable poise. All three are men at ease with themselves.

As I already pointed out, child support is public information to begin with. Ever check The Smoking Gun? All court documents are public unless they are specially sealed by the judge for some reason. And owing back taxes is a crime, so as soon as they charge you with it, that too becomes public information. They did not release his tax returns (private information), they did not reveal whether he has received welfare/unemployment (we assume because he didn't, but if he did, it must have been under legitimate circumstances, because they didn't press charges--if they had, then yes, those charges would have been public,) and the one person who illegally gave out information (the police officer who gave his home address to a reporter) is being punished accordingly.

Most people would be appalled to learn how much of their information is 100% public.

The most basic explanation for why Barack Obama may win next Tuesday is that voters want economic deliverance. The standard fix for this in politics everywhere is to crowbar the old party out and patch in the other one. It is true as well that the historic nature of the nation's first African-American candidacy would play a big role.


Barbara KelleyPush past the historic candidacy, however, and one sees something even larger at stake in this vote. One sees what Joe (The Plumber) Wurzelbacher saw. The real "change" being put to a vote for the American people in 2008 is not simply a break from the economic policies of "the past eight years" but with the American economic philosophy of the past 200 years. This election is about a long-term change in America's idea of itself.

I don't agree with the argument that an Obama-Pelosi-Reid government is a one-off, that good old nonideological American pragmatism will temper their ambitions. Not true. With this election, the U.S. is at a philosophical tipping point.

The goal of Sen. Obama and the modern, "progressive" Democratic Party is to move the U.S. in the direction of Western Europe, the so-called German model and its "social market economy." Under this notion, business is highly regulated, as it would be in the next Congress under Democratic House committee chairmen Markey, Frank and Waxman. Business is allowed to create "wealth" so long as its utility is not primarily to create new jobs or economic growth but to support a deep welfare system.

(continues)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533132337982833.html

Merc, I often don't know if I'm reading something you've written or just something you pasted in.

Its an article from the Wall street Journal.
I especially don't like the last paragraph - hope thats not true. If so then we are moving into a plan/policy that has repeatedly failed and been proven to be a disaster.

Sorry about that. Yes it is from the wsj and is only the first part of the article it continues in the link. Just another assessment. I hope it is not true. The times are uncertain.

19 months into the campaign, Obama used some boilerplate lefty lingo and everybody saw it as an opportunity to lose their shit.

End of the world sighted. Cats and dogs, living together. Four days out.

I'll be out of the country for all the insanity - THANK GOD.

I think if Obama wins, he will be an effective, smart, and I dare say moderately conservative leader (to the frustration of the true left), knowing he needs to build consensus to tackle the economy, healthcare, the wars, energy, etc.
I hope he gets the chance. Oh, and I think the temperament and verbal ability is a plus.

plus....he's got soft hands and is a great kisser.

Boxers or Briefs?

Well -- I for one have to. Having read; having observed.

What kind of sheep-fucking idiot drags his feet about winning a war against totalitarian, unabashedly illiberal and oppressive enemies? That's been the Democratic senior leadership all over. Mindless, undemocratic, and unstrategic, focused not on winning the war for humanity (democracy being indisputably better for humans than the Islamists' alternative) but on winning the White House for partisanry's sake.

And, for some people, this is all just fine. Hunky-dory.

You're such an idiot. I can't BELIEVE Merc calls tw Ted K...you're the craziest son of a bitch to ever float down the proverbial pike. Cuckoo cuckoo.:crazy:

kthxbai

Wow. You're classy.

Hey, sheep do tend to fuck other sheep. It's the natural order of things. That makes for a pretty smart sheep, IMHO.

♪Sheeple
Sheeple who need sheeple
Are the luckiest sheeple in the world.♪

Oh, how embarrassing. I hate it when I break into song...

:blush:

the music notes were handmade for dar!

:blush:

<sarcasm>
Well isn't it kind of us to raise up those poor misguided Muslims. I'm sure all was done in the spirit of Christian kindness. It's the white man's burden but we must bear it as best we can.
</sarcasm>

I notice we haven't gone in to help those poor misguided souls in North Korea yet. I wonder why that is?


If you look up imperialism in the dictionary, I think you'll find a picture of UG.

Fixed that for ya

Ah, ah, ah, you two... how do you call yourself disciples of liberty, or indeed a freedom-minded anything, without a willingness to hang tyrants and shoot their lackeys until they decide anything but democracy is a nonstarter? If you aren't a democrat, you're a tyrant, and that just sucks in all directions.

I know I'm vehement about this, but here I stand and I can no other. I see neither of you are managing a germane response, preferring instead to shield your eyes from the light of liberty. If you can't stand the light, how bright are you, then?

What are you going to do now that the Dems are in power UG? How are you going to manage? Will we see less or more of you around here?

He already lives in what may be the most liberal state in the country. I see nothing changing. :)

Perhaps you'll see more, Ali. I'll be the more needed, after all. I still wander in here every couple days to a week already, and I don't see that changing much.

Well that's good. I'd miss you if you stopped posting so much. ;)

CHANGE, we want CHANGE. :lol2:

I'd even miss you Bruce. :)

[Fishes two cents from pocket, tosses these to Bruce]

You will when Australia blocks all sites with adult content.

lol....it wont happen, so I don't even have to entertain the thought. :)

:eek:

;)

Um... pikes are roads. If you're floating down one, you've had a bad hurricane or something.

Metaphors mixed While-U-Wait.

Oh, like that, huh?

Here's another one: You have to pee like a racist.

Button your seat belts, I can read UG like an open can of worms, and he's not the sharpest marble in the drawer.

:lol:

:lol:

Floating down the pike means your ungrounded.;)

My ungrounded what?

Zinged, zanged, zung, from Zen.

The first part of peeing like a racist is to lift the sheet well up. Next is don't whiz on the burning cross. It'll get you talked about.

Sort of like peeing on the toilet seat in a unisex bathroom? :D

I can see UG leaving the country and joining Slang on a road trip through Southeast Asia. Sort of like Hope & Crosby, but with guns, beer, and prostitutes.:D

Sounds like a great time - I'm in!