If not in ethics.

I'd rather bet on character and intent.

Here's an interesting fact:

Abe Lincoln served in the Illinois state legislature and then served a single term in the U.S. House before being elected to the presidency.

I think he turned out ok.

Not after the play.....

:drummer:

Right.

Then we get President Palin.



Where is your puny god to protect you now?

...I knew Abe Lincoln and Obama is no Abe Lincoln...

Has McCain used that one yet?
nah, he's waiting for someone to compare obama to noah or something, lincoln's one of them new-fangled politicians...

lol

Cute.

But I still think it shows that the 'experience' thing isn't a real issue.

Because there is one exception to the rule? Who do you want performing surgery on you an intern or an experienced surgeon?

depends if the surgeou has shaky hands and/or senile dementia...

puhlease -

what? you don't read many medical detective novels? It's always the venerated surgeon who operates after his hands start shaking that did it... and everyone tries to cover up because they feel sorry for or loyal to him....

whatevah

I think you mean Diagnosis Murder.
Although thinking about it, Dick Van Dyke does a lot more chatting and trotting about and having people try to kill him than any real medical procedures. Probably because he knows he's "venerated" enough to botch it.

Venerated does mean old and creaky, doesn't it?
(I do know what it means really. Incontinent.)

You read my mind. in the future. :lol2:

SO then why is everyone who does not like Palin keep bringing it up then?:rolleyes:

Because she also has no brain *and* no education.

1. She can't figure it out for herself. (Obama & Biden can)
2. She hasn't experienced it for herself.(Biden & McCain can)
3. No one has told her the answer. (Obama, Biden & McCain)

No, I don't, but if it fits under the umbrella we can surely include it :lol: Don't watch much TV/movies, cannot stand Dick Van Dick so definitely did not see that.... sounds like I didn't miss too much. I went through a phase of reading medical-based thrillers and they're all the damn same story, though....

Govenor Palin, is that you?

Obama - less experience; better judgement

McCain - More experience, bad judgement and temperment

Biden - More experience, sometimes trips over his own thoughts

Palin - Stupid fucking cunt!

It's not a very good analogy.

1. Neither candidate has experience... being president. They both have experience being senators.
2. John McCain's degree is a BS in midshipmanship
3. Barack Obama has a B.A. in Political Science with a specialization in International Relations. He also has a magna cum laude degree in law from Harvard.

And he still doesn't know why the POTUS doesn't meet with the leader of Iran?

/voting for him anyway

I don't have a degree in international relations. Tell me.

It's a principle of international relations that when the President meets with heads of state, it makes them more powerful and gives them a gravitas (although I hate that word) that they might not deserve. Meeting with Ahmadinejad would give Ahmadinejad greater power within his country and region. We prefer to see him isolated and less powerful to affect what happens in his region. Actually meeting with him would cause him to be seen as a serious power broker, which he actually isn't. (In Iran, more power is vested in the religious leaders who *actually* have final say.)

This is doubly true in cultures where dialogue is seen as weakness... such as it is in the Middle East.

For example, after Nancy Pelosi (third in line for POTUS) met with Syria's Assad, he then spent some time shutting down dissidents, because it was believed that he could:

This principle is not well understood, and so when Obama said in a debate that he would meet with certain foreign leaders without any preconditions, it was a gaffe. Since then the Obama campaign has changed that to "negotiate" not "meet" but since people don't really grasp the principle behind it, it remains debate fodder. There's nothing wrong with negotiating with such leaders, but the negotiation happens at the State Dept level, and with brokers, not the actual POTUS. I remain convinced that Obama is merely covering up the gaffe at this point, and if he becomes Pres, the folks at State will explain the principle and business will continue as usual.

There's a new thing going around the net. People are replacing the words of Hitler in the movie "The Downfall"

Here's one I like. They also do one against Obama.

Did you notice how the Venezuelan nut Chaves has gravitas in South America because he neither meets nor negotiates with the Bush administration?

That appears to be an entirely different argument.

I'm sure that depends on viewpoint or on which side of the line you are standing on.

He doesn't want to give Bush undeserved gravitas. ;)

Dammmmmm.... sounds just like a description of Obama.:eyebrow:

*bows* awesome.

He doesn't know why because there is no legitimate reason for us not to meet with the leaders of sovereign nations, especially when we want favors from them...like not exercising their sovereign right to develop any weapons they choose.

Here's how sane people like Obama and I do it. First you try to talk. Only when that fails, do you take actions against them like embargoes. As a very final, last resort when all other avenues have been exhausted, then you exercise military force. You never place Americans in the line of fire unless everything else has been tried first.

The California Democratic Party came up with a brilliant way to "welcome" Sarah Palin to her rally in LA on Saturday - They rented a giant electronic billboard across the street from the rally, and posted questions for Palin submitted via text message.


http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/762520

Thats cool!

Having a bit of trouble seeing it, but I suspect she looked at the billboard and said "Mr Billboard, I may not answer the questions you want me to answer in the way you want me to answer them, but I'm going to talk (switches gaze to tv camera) straight to the American people..." Music swells, Palin flashes bright smile, winks, fireworks go off behind her...annnnnnnnnnnnddddd... we're out.

I'm not voting for someone who is winking at me. That's bar behavior! Seriously, though, folks---is she going to wink at Putin? Will it work?

It'd work on Sarcozy.....

you all said you supported the candidate of change...

Cute pic of Palin in college. Won't sway my vote, but she is/was a cutie.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/ny-582...,6757468.photo

She's been stirring up a lot of hateful rhetoric in her supporters lately and they are loving her for it. Shes got her finger perfectly pressed on the lowest-common -denominator nerve, and working it to perfection. Thats scary.

no - thats politics.

Do you think Obama's a terrorist? Or a traitor? Cuz they do. Would you call out for his death? Cuz that has happend in one of her rallies.

Its insane.

That picture reminds me of ads for non-reflective glasses.

lol

HAHAHAHA Nah - I'm voting for all non incumbents - I no longer care who is qualified or not - they are all liars - ALL OF THEM. In the event of two non incumbents... I'm flipping a coin. Srsly - I'm that fed up.

ALL of 'em???

Did you like poll them or something?

No :o

But some do.

Another example...

I tried to watch, but my slap reflex started to kick in...

I seriously want to slap the snot out of some people. I like how they make their assertions with that smug look like they think they're really smart and in the know.

Grrrrrr

Those people should have their voter registration taken away. People THAT effed up should not be allowed to vote :headshake

No different than the bloggers and posters on Daily Koz or Huffington Post. Who cares. It is politics.

Very different.

Though I don't read Huffington Post, so I might have missed it.

So much ignorance, so little time.

The bartender at my club told me to stay on the OTHER side of the bar from my old man buddies who had gotten on politics. He was laughing "Shawnee...don't even go over there...YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED" because he knows how fired up I get. :blush:

No different.


Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she increased funding and signed a bill that will triple per-pupil funding over three years for special needs students with high-cost requirements.
She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.


Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.


Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

Is that a real photo of Sarah Palin holding a rifle and wearing a bikini? No.

Did Sarah Palin make rape victims pay for their own rape kits? No.

Is Palin's child with Downs Syndrome not her child but the child of her daughter? No.

http://search.bootnetworks.com/searc...&keyword=palin

The very fact the a VP candidate has ever asked once, much less three times whether is was possible to ban books "if the need arose", would be enough to turn me off of a candidate.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp

So Merc, are you saying that this strategy of inspiring full-blown and fully-expressed displays of hate and anger ( which is what Sarah's rallies are doing) is acceptable to you?

God I hope not.

Stick a turban and beard onto the ones shouting kill him and you gots yerself a jihad!

No, what I have stated is that both sides do it and it has become mainstream political manuvering. As well as the idea that Obama or McCain can promise things to the electorate that they can't deliver.