good excercise too. you sounded almost winded by the end of the strip

The first two times the staple gets stuck, it gets stuck on the outside ring of the lock. I could have sat there all day from 1 - 2 inches away, and shot at it. There just isn't enough force for it to stick that way. I should add that every post office box I've ever seen has a lock pretty much flush with the surface of the box. That makes it that much more than impossible. My "lock" overhangs so there is space for the other staple prong to hang over the edge of the lock.

Yes, this is overkill.

Maybe like a logic puzzle --

If you believe that some of her posts are fantasy,

and everything you know of her condition is from her posts,

what can you say with certainty about her condition?




Is it charity to simply believe her? No, because our charity requires skepticism, otherwise everyone would claim victimhood and our charity would not keep up with demand. Charity to charlatans is charity we can no longer afford to those who deserve it.

Is it charity to ignore her? I can't imagine how that is a charitable response.

That's not relevant if the staple goes into the keyhole, without anything hanging out.

Charity? That's not a bit arrogant. Civility on the other hands costs nothing. It's an internet forum. It's a wonderful thing, but it really doesn't shake the world, if someone posts stuff you don't believe. Why does it matter?

not what she stated. besides, have you ever seen a keyhole? not the ones they draw in cartoons, now. an actual keyhole? POB keyholes are very uniform. small, tight fit, and decidedly un staple shaped.

I'd go so far as to say that you probably couldn't insert a stple into a PO box manually (without bending it) in such a way that it became lodged tight enough to break off when you attempted to extract it.

this is all smoke anyway. i refuse to believe that you believe it. you;re obviously trying to make some subtle point. why not just come out and say it?

http://cellar.org/2006/polock.jpg

There ya go, since apparently we're on CSI now: the length of the standard PO Box lock is smaller than the width of the smallest available staple gun staple.

because then the only real thing about this place is unreal.

She said it went in the hole, and she had to pry it out. If it was just hanging out, she wouldn't have had to pry.Real keyholes are more staple shaped than cartoon ones - small rectangles. I just stuck a staple halfway into a desk lock without bending it, but it got caught on something when I pulled it out, and bent slightly.

For fucks sake! This is the most ridiculous juvenile discussion I've ever had the misfortune to read.

She's gone. Those of you who wanted her gone should be happy. Not still buying into what you all continually suggested was her attention seeking ways. She's fucking gone, so just fucking shut the hell up and move on.

From what I can see on this thread, the people who've had their own way are the ones proving that they did provoke and create most of the problems associated with this banning.

Who gives a rats hairy arse if the staple got stuck or it didn't? Who cares if she's a pathological liar? Who cares if you hate her guts?

It would seem to me that the only people who care that much about those particular questions are those of you who wanted her gone, and guess what??? She's gone, so now you'll never know.

GET OVER IT!!!

so, what are you trying to say?

You having problems understanding again lj?

If she didn't create the uproar, then someone else will soon be a victim as it is just the nature of the community.

You can tell by all the other people who have been similarly treated.

Oh, nobody else has ever been treated that way in 16 years of the Cellar's operation?

Huh.

There's always a first time for everything UT. As much as I respect the way you run this site and think it's a great place, I don't agree with the decisions that have been made here and I do believe the woman has been 'run off' whether she was banned or not.

Maybe it was right for her to be banned, for the sake of the rest of the community. Certainly the libertarians among us would think so, however, there are others here who have demonstrated the lengths they will go to in order to get their own way, and it doesn't bode well for the future in my opinion.

How does this affect me? It'll make me think twice about sharing my opinions when these people are involved simply because if they don't like it, they'll just keep going till they get their own way again.

Who knows, maybe I'll be next.

What I hear from you is that you need this thread to continue so that we can explore why what you think is not the case.

done and done

Whatever UT.

you misspelled dillusion

Why didn't Buddha cross the road?

Because he was already on the other side.

138 posts regarding a post no-one else ever saw?


jeez, not even AG got this anal.

I think you share the very thoughts of more than a few however I do think UT and Bruce are good men and am giving the benefit of the doubt.

This benefit of the doubt does not extend to LJ because he has proven he is as emotionally troubled or worse than Mari ever could think to be. [edit] To say only part of the problem was banned. He was just as guilty for ratcheting up problems. Ban him too.

If you were pissed off at someone and stuffed staples in their mailbox lock (a federal offense), would you admit it on the board? Or make up a far fetched story to let everyone know you did it, but cover your ass by saying it was really an accident?

And if you read that far fetched story and decided it was not true, does that make your next paycheck smaller? Or make you not get any Christmas presents? Or make your lawn turn brown? Does it really have any effect on you at all? I think not.

Once you have determined she's a liar, why bother reading her threads at all? Why waste your time when you know you're not going to believe what you read, and certainly won't see any entertainment value?

Pull the wings off bugs that don't have apparent value to you?:eyebrow:

you're going to have to do it the hard way, crazy chick. the trick is to catch me in some big whopper of a lie, and just harp on it forever. but be careful, i'm the big playground bully....i'll take your lunchmoney.

besides, we already had a vote, and i got to stay.

An adult does not care. Where are the thousand of death American troops or sexually molested kid because of this story? An adult does not care about that story.

ouch
 

Ouch implies emotion. If you think anything posted was intended to cause pain, then look into your own emotions for that bias. I post with no regard to how your emotions will perceive the statements. Its called being blunt and honest - and with contempt for any need to be politically correct. What was posted was facts. Adults don't let petty discussions affect them - not for one minute. Examples to follow-

Let's see how quick I can get banned. "Yes, Virginia, there really is a Santa Clause" . Clearly that is also a lie worthy of censorship. So many posts dispute whether a staple can be in a lock! It could just as easily been a story line from Benny Hill or Mister Bean. Clearly Hill and Bean also should be banned so they will not lie. Santa Clause lies to kids. Another liar that should be banned before he can post. Yes, this post is now becomes as adult as accusations about the staple and lock.

Quoted above are authors who posted using intelligence - not using hate. Maybe yes. Maybe no. Either answer says no adult cares. Why do you so hate her? – begging Lumberjim to make a logical reply. (BTW Lumberjim did the same thing to april - for those who were not here for that deja vue event.)

If censorship was based in consistent logic, then yes, skyshidhe is embarrassingly accurate. Those who can divorce their emotions would appreciate why adult responses such as skysidhe's, et al are quoted.

No logical fact posted justified so much hate of marichiko. I can grasp one fact that might justify the censorship. But I have yet to see anyone post that justification. Posted instead are vindictive or juvenile emotions that justify hate. Yes this is a discussion of and contains examples of adults who are still children.

Ban Hill and Bean.

Hate implies emotion. If you think anything posted was hateful, then look into your own emotions for that bias. I post with no regard to how your emotions will perceive the statements. Its called being blunt and honest - and with contempt for any need to be politically correct. What was posted was opinions. Adults don't let petty discussions affect them - not for one minute.

And disdain IS emotion.

ME ...and LJ has treated several other women badly.

You allow LJ to bully people he choses too. He does so constantly. He's the one that causes trouble even by his own admission. Look what he said here.

stop harping LJ.



UT, Please Tell him to stop calling me a crazy chick and people will be on your side otherwise you will look just look like LJs pawn again AND He will continue to look just as guilty as mari because he will continue to harp on another woman which is his method of operation and your prophecy becomes something of fact meaning mari didn't cause this. LJ did or at least
HE MUST SHARE IN THE BLAME.

If I ignore his taunts I am ok? When a person fights back, like mari, they are labeled as a problem ? but the self proclaimed bully gets to stay?


Read what he says. Use logic and not emotion. He harps on someone forever until UT bans them or they are driven off. He said it not me.



THANK YOU FOR LOGIC TW

logical reply coming right up:

point 1: april was a psycho who told huge lies.

action: I, and a few others, called her on it. she went crazy, got banned

point 2: marichiko was a big liar who was a little psycho

action: jinx busted her posting with an alias in support of herself, I, and a few others, beat her up for it... she told more lies, went crazy and got banned.

times 2

in both cases, tw attempted to lay it solely at my feet.

conclusion: tw is still pissed off about that time i accused him of putting large vegetables up his ass and wearing womens underwear.

mmmmmmmmmmmmm........logic


i don;t hate marichiko, tw.....you one trick pony. i don't frequently post with emotion.

i make people laugh. it;s all i ever wanted. so i have an evil sense of humor. is that so wrong?

and sky, i think you're cute. don;t get all bent. you;re a sweetheart. don;t let me get to you. i'm just funnin' ya. cute-crazy is much better than dangerous to yourself and others-crazy like marichiko.

and in closing, i'd like to say.............fashizzel

ya nizziel!!!

show me one post where i called for you to be banned. just one. i said i wanted you to fuck off. there's a difference.

i send tony $30 per month to support the cellar. $15 from me, $15 from jinx

i did the stereo thing for two or three weeks when i was 18

i love women.

i honestly care about the people here. i love them. i think you;re a sick fuck that lies to them and i want to show it to them. i make it unpleasant for certain people that suck.

oh, and i have 2 balls. big ones. no, really, they're pretty big.

and lastly, you quoted me quoting tw. dummy.

well fashizzle manizzle !

I got to quote that before he takes it back. Oh boy am I a sucker for sweet talk.

yeah I know he's blowing smoke up my butt :blunt:

LJ is a major, major fuckhead, a total jerk, a complete prick...

But we all (well, MOST of us) LOVE him for it. He's hilarious, witty, cruel, and merciless, in all the right ways. He's great when he's not skewering you, and if youve got a sense of humour at all, still funny even then.

bend over

So where is the disdain: as in extreme contempt or disgust for something or somebody? If disdain was posted, you would know it by personal attacks. I am not subtle and I associate political correctness with outright lying. Where is this disdain? It should be obvious.

Any post is read regardless of the poster. If I had disdain, then I would also have an ignore list. Never had one. Never even thought of creating one. Don't understand why anyone needs an ignore list. Have not a clue why some get so emotional as to need an ignore list.

Logic still says those actions were not typical of adults. Adults don't let silly emotion cause disdain of Marichiko. Logic says that her posts could have been regarded from many perspectives - including as a preliminary sketch for the next Mr Bean movie. Mr Bean would also get a staple stuck in a lock. So now we accuse Mr Bean of lying about that story? So now we must post disdain of Mr Bean?

Disdain is demonstrated by comments intentionally directed at the personality of marichiko – including ridiculous posts condemning the staple and lock. The adult, in a same emotional perspective, would have simply ignored her stories and moved on. But hate was so great that some just could not ignore her. That was disdain.

Curiously, lumberjim posts the same disdain for marichiko as he did for april. Go read it. Tell me what April did to deserve his obvious disdain? Skysidhe repeatedly (and others previously) post valid and logical points. Are they also posting disdain? It really is not that hard to be adult. But it does mean actions are first predictated by simply questions such as 'why do I think this'? I keep asking that question and keep getting a same answer.

dude, you're insane. get help

the definition of insanity is repeating the same action and expecting to get different results, right?
it's illogical.

oh, and mr bean is a fictional character, babe

And an adult could not ignore that - must instead attack? Thank you lumberjim for demonstrating what others have defined. No wonder you declared war on the cat rather than spend some money on a trash can. Is that disdain? Is that a personal attack? Not either. It is a statement that also explains why you feel justified to personally attack others. 'Bully' is acceptable behavior?

Funny how you obviously celebrate your victories over April and Marichiko. Santa Claus lies to kids. He says he brings them toys. Do you also attack Santa Claus for lying? What exactly is your logic?

tw, disdain is your m.o. I don't think it's a bad thing, necessarily--but you apparently think it is, because it's a display of emotion.

Emotion does not equal childishness, as you stress. It equals human.

no, man. the cat is alive and kickin. i got a bigger trash can. never hurt the cat.

i have no victory over april or marichiko. an adult would know this. only a child would react that way. an adult would realize that i never called for her to be banned. an adult only reads the facts, and does not read their personal preconceptions of childhood bullies from their past into someone's posts. an adult would recognize their own hipocrasy when they accuse someone of personal attacks, and then call thame a bully on the other side of the period.

ew. i think writing like you made me a little crazy. i feel an urge to go and shave my eyebrows off.

brb!

That means I have "extreme contempt or disgust for something or somebody"?

Let's take three examples - Rumsfeld, McNamara, and Nixon. I am so obviously and strongly critical of all. However there are still things I have great respect for in each. The first two are great intellectual accomplishments. The first is just so pigheaded as to not be able to admit his mistakes. The second did admit his mistakes and moved on. (I also read his book in 1961(?) and easily got an A because he wrote with such clarity.) The third, well, there is a man with so few morals who could still become president and who could still see when another was wronged. Nixon clearly is on my short list for worst president of the US. And yet I don't see any extreme contempt or extreme disgust of the man. How could I see good (or intent to be good) in all three if I judged them using disdain?

Step away from the short sentences! Use more exclamation points...and elipses--also run-on sentences, perhaps? :lol:

I mean, your responses to our comments often reek of disdain of our opinions. Again, it's not necessarily a bad thing; I'm just letting you know that you do show emotion, while at the same time criticizing us for doing it.

This isn't about emotion, it's about fairness, kindness and civility.

There are two possibilities: a) Mari told the truth, in which case she was hounded and made miserable and ultimately banned for no good reason; or b) Mari engaged in fantasy, in which case she was hounded and made miserable and banned for no good reason.

This is playground stuff guys. This is conscious bullying. Who's next? Or have we sated our communal desire for an enemy/victim/target ?

I've said it before, I'll say it again: I like Mari, she's clever and she's funny and she has had a hard time adjusting to some awful experiences. Sitting at the other end of a computer, I have no real way to know if everything she says is true and frankly that doesn't bother me. I happen to think she's as truthful as most people. But that's really not the point.

Most of you participating in this thread have not grasped the entire situation. Some, because you aren't familiar with it because you don't read all the threads. Some, because you don't remember all the history. Some, because you are too dense to understand it.

If you think this is bullying and not a response to bullying, which of the three categories do you fall into? If you think this is bad "emotional" behavior and not a response to bad "emotional" behavior, which of the three categories do you fall into?

I notice nobody gives a shit how I feel. I didn't set out to ban her, and in fact I didn't. Let's review.

Some time ago, I merely made a statement: I think you're disgusting, let's agree to not be in each other's threads. This agreement worked for quite some time. For all the "why can't you just ignore it" people, you fall into one of the three categories that didn't notice this period. My ability to ignore was absolutely phenomenal. I was stoic.

At one point she posted in one of my threads and I gave her the back of my hand. Stay out of my threads, bitch. She never had to say that to me because I never participated in her threads.

But still she set out to carefully violate that arrangement. She deleted the reply to me, second message of this thread, where she wrote a content-free post which ended in, effectively, "but I'm not supposed to post in your thread tee hee".

And I said, that's it, I've had it, I can't share this place with you; I won't post while you're here, it's just no fun for me anymore. She planned her next post: let's see, if UT's not going to post while I'm posting, what shall I post?

this.

Mind, she had not participated in the Word Assn thread in a year.

Tee hee!

Originally Posted by Undertoad
I notice nobody gives a shit how I feel.

:turd: ...... all better now? :eyebrow:

listen up you all - take a breath. i for one believe the cellar will be a better place without marichiko, but as of this point it isn't yet. right now, as it stands, Marichiko wins because everyone is still bickering and choosing up sides. not on an issue of significance, but over who likes who and who thinks the other person is a stupid poopy head.

Marichiko's defenders - as far as i can tell and i've been here the whole time marichiko was - she wasn't banned for her lies. (or alleged lies if you prefer) she was banned for the disruption she caused around here.

let me put it like this. if I at any point post something that causes cellarites to draw up sides and attack each other personally to the point that the cellar looks, sounds, and feels like every other pathetic BBS out there - I EXPECT TO BE BANNED. for the good of the community - whether or not my post was true or not.

UT and LJ. you know that certain people will always view Marichiko as a victim regardless of how well you present your case. instead of focusing on the ones arguing the point here, take note of how many aren't posting at all. either A) they agree with the resolution at this point, B) they are so disgusted they just want to put this behind them. either way, let it go. she's gone. the flames will die down and in awhile she will be remembered about as well as april.

TW. take your medication - reality is calling.

XOB - thanks for taking an action that obviously wasn't something you really wanted. you put the long term good of the cellar ahead of your personal preferences, proving once again that you are a stand up guy.

Everyone else - Here's your challenge - find something worth discussing and start a thread that will draw everyone there. the person who starts the most interesting thread will get one 8 x 10 autographed photo of LabRat's Ass.

Well said. I agree.

I used to have this dog. Mangy little thing. He'd pee on my carpet, chew my furniture and puke in my underwear drawer. And he would bark. It was an annoying bark but made you feel sorry for it. Sort of like chewing tin foil while watching George Bush address the UN. No worse. It was so shrill and so grating that you could actually see space warping as the sound came out - sort of like looking at a sunset just above an open gas can. But he would only bark just as I was dozing off as though the switch was embedded in my eyelid.

Anyway, I let him hang around but told him to stay out of my bedroom. Which he did for a while. Then I caught him on my bed. Pinching a loaf on my pillow. Ears out, eyes bulging, back arched, tail up and BOOM! There it wuz. On my pillow. That I sewed with fabric that I bought. Smedley just looked at me and grinned and ran off before I could smack him with the paper.

So, one day, I sez to myself: "Self!?"

Then I said: "Whut?"

Then I said: "I'm gonna get rid of this dog!"

About that time, my neighbor dropped in to borrow my lawn mower. Again. I think he siphons the gas out of it and puts it in his car because there's never any gas in it when he brings it back. Come to think of it, he doesn't even have a yard. Where was I? Oh, yeah. Smedley.

So I told my neighbor that I'm up to here with Smedley and was going to drop him off at the pound.

"Whyfore, oh neighbor of mine?" He asked. "What'd Smedley ever do to you? C'mere Smedley -- ooochoooo coochie coochie coochie. Does your butt itch? scratch-scratch-scratch - leg thumping on floor - sly grin in my general direction - there -all better now."

"Y'know?" As he spoke, his eyebrows furled in judgement of me which, for a millisecond, gave me a shivering flashback to this picture I saw once of a medieval Bishop sternly administering the Inquisition of a man who had not expressed sufficient gratitude to his torturers for purging him of his sin. "His butt wouldn't itch like that if you let him sleep in your bedroom instead of wherever you let him stay." Smedley shot me a look of smug satisfaction that my neighbor didn't notice.

"But he craps on my bed and barks when I sleep and..." He stopped me.

"Put a plastic trash bag on your pillow and get some fucking earplugs for God's sake! What the hell is wrong with you?!?! He's just a dog like any other dog. You have thirty dogs. What's the difference?"

Stunned, I just looked at him with a mouth-open stare.

He continued and his expression lightened. "Not to change the subje... you ok?... but my TV is still out. And did you remember to set your TiVo for The UN/Harvard sponsored Al Gore Global Warming Conference moderated by Kofi Annan tonight from 5:30 to 11:30? I hear they are doing a special segment where they have this ice carving of George Bush and it, like, melts 'n stuff you know like the ice caps are melting.... Anyway can I watch it live at your house tonight - I already invited some friends and they don't have cell phones so I like can't reach them to change plans thanks man."

"But the Sponge Bob 24-hour maratho..." I started to say.

He resumed to his affectionathon for Smedley. "C'mere Smedleypoo. We're gonna watch Al Gore and Kofi Annan save the world from the mental midget your sorry-ass owner voted for together tonight! Yes we are! Coochie-coochie [rubs noses, swaps spit] Isn't that right? Ohhhhhhh you're so CUTE!!!" Smedley shot me another eff-you look as his leg thumped the floor.

After he left, Smedley disappeared out the back door. When he came back for lunch, I was resolved to take his sorry but to the pound. Then I remembered that the spark plug in the lawnmower was fouled so I replaced it with one out of my car so I could finish cutting the grass. I'll just put it back so I can take Smedley to the pound.

Just then, I looked out the window and saw my neighbor disappear with my lawnmower.

Nausea.

Obviously I would still be interested in the prize despite being female, as I understand these sell for a fortune on eBay. However I am interested in the fact you have one to give....

i don't have it yet. i'm just such a big supporter of the cellar that i'm going to fly back up to the iowa city and visit LR and the hubby for awhile. i'm sure he won't mind.

word

But how will this play out in the upcoming moderator elections?

FWIW Mari and I were both participants on Another Board a few years ago, and our time there overlapped by a year at least, and this sort of kerfuffle did not happen there. :2cents:
That being said, this is UT's board and the mods' decisions are final. (Ouch the fence is such an uncomfortable place to sit).

I've stayed out of this pretty much, but I do take a tiny bit of issue with these statements. I feel like I "knew" Mari as much as anyone here, and I think I understand her. Further, I support Bruce's decision to ban because I don't think he had any other choice. He was protecting this community, and sometimes those decisions are hard. Bruce is a prince of a guy, the one person here to whom I would entrust all that is important to me, and I admire him tremendously. The Cellar couldn't ask for a better moderator.

So, I will just say this...Mari did not whip Mari into a bannable frenzy by herself. There is a contingent of Dwellars who seem to enjoy fanning smoldering embers into apocalyptic flames, then reveling when the Halon extinguishers get deployed. I find this a bit sad.

I did not for a moment believe everything Mari said to be true. I further did not believe it all to be fabrication. I guess I see her situation as symptomatic of loneliness, depression, alienation, and, as the parent of a cognitively disabled child who lives with these issues daily, I have a certain amount of empathy for that.

I know that some of us question whether or not Mari even *was* the victim of CO poisoning. Certainly, her facility with the written word caused me to take pause as regards that topic. But, the fact is, we *all* have to accept a certain amount of what we tell each other as truthful and honest, otherwise, there's little point in what we do here. I've mentioned it before, and I'll say it again: no one has ever called Bullshit on any of my tales, yet I have often been complimented on my writing. Would it not follow, then, that I might also possess the skills to mislead convincingly?

How do you know that *I* am not just another Mari, more subtle, more devious...more dishonest?

:lol2:
You tickle my funny bone.


Edited down to a link so as not to distract from the other serious posts but the effort had to be applauded. ...oh and laughed at too! tee hee funny story.

I have a certain amount of empathy for that

Right, now let's see. I'm unemployed, and face an increasingly threatening financial situation. But I'm healthy, generally optimistic, and have an education, so I will likely recover and bounce back well. If I lose the house I will still be able to afford an apartment with Jacquelita, although I may have to give up my dog.

I rate a mere 3 on the victimization scale. You can, therefore, be mean to me. If I want you to be nicer to me, I should emphasize the negatives and major concerns in my life.

Spode, what I have said to you here is downright mean. But that's OK; you rate a 3 also.

I know that some of us question whether or not Mari even *was* the victim of CO poisoning.

She knew a lot of intricate details about what that might entail. For example, she complained about not getting expensive hyperbaric treatment. In-between puffs on a cigarette.

FWIW Mari and I were both participants on Another Board a few years ago, and our time there overlapped by a year at least, and this sort of kerfuffle did not happen there.

Perhaps she was more brain-muddled during that period.

Or was it a forum of all women? Women don't complain about each other to their face; that's rude. Women wait until they get to the bathroom with their mates to complain, and then they let loose a way biggger shitstream than I might.

In any case, now she can return there, where they appreciate her so well. Nice to know there's another place for her to participate. This is the Internet, you know, and forums are quite rare.

Replay of 911 call:

I don't know officer...it's like, like he's gone CRAZY. He's standing on the porch shooting a staple gun at the door, over and over and over. Please help! (Sobs hysterically)

UT's neighbor:

He was a good guy, a real good neighbor. He always kept his yard nice, never had loud parties. I don't know what made him snap.

Local news teaser:

MAN GOES STAPLE CRAZY
what puts a seemingly normal man over the edge? Commentary, and film, at 11.

lol Shawnee.