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Funny Shawnee - thats exactly what I see when any of bm's posts are on my screen.

First reported one at your festival, you mean, els. There is a lot of social pressure at a pagan festival to, uh, how shall I put it ... share, be open, etc. etc. etc.

I do know of at least one reported rape in that environment. Usually, however, the male predators get away with it because of the above-described notion.

You're the one that said you were going to go put a skirt on and get sexualised.

As to interpreting what you've posted, I have done so. I understand exactly what you're trying to suggest.

You don't know anything about my personal life, so sorry you're wrong on that point. There was nothing personal about the point I was making. It was an academic response to a social issue.

Refute the point and get back to me when you've developed a reasonable argument, otherwise just don't bother responding at all thanks.

Jesus-H-Christ, I have to spell it out for you. This is why people can't talk to me. They can't even remember what they said let alone reply with any substabstance.

Here..You said this:
DO YOU NOTICE WHERE YOU SAID>
"man walks around without a shirt on and is sexualised by a woman "
A W O M A N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then I said:
Then you replied:

Now do you and yesman play in the same sandbox because having to treat and talk to you both like a little child is not what I here for.

Grow up.

bmw or GW ???
 

lmao!

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Twice you said you were going the Australia with a skirt on.
Now do you understand the response? :eyebrow:

Another poster that CAN"T READ!

READ THE STRING STUPID BEFORE YOU CHIME IN!

Aliantha made the reference to the skirt in the context of her perceptions of a double standard, I was only making light of her description and she twisted it around to insult me. NOW YOU WANT TO DO THE SAME THING>>AH!

Oh dear lord...

Aliantha mentions men going without shirts being sexualized by women, and women going without shirts being sexualized by men...

Then BM starts babbling about going to Australia with a SKIRT on (wrong half of the anatomy) and gets all pissy when laughed at.

I assure you BMW, that you're the one having difficulties with comprehension, but that's ok. It doesn't make any difference really. I was clear in my communication; everyone else can understand my point; you're the only one who's confused.

Anyway, as I said, when you've got something to add to the point, get back to me, otherwise, don't bother responding. :)

Oh, and one more thing, I have not insulted you once other than to point out - in response to your own comment - that it seems you come from a family that doesn't value respectful communication.

Putting the "stab" back in substance......Wait there was never a.........

How am I having difficulties? You twisted my sentence to insult me and now want to stand by your insult. FU!

Show me where I confused your statement that I wanted to be sexualized by men! It was quite clear I was responding to your statement regarding men wearing skirts and being sexualized by WOMEN.

You purposely rework the response to insult me and I find it more insulting that you have the gall to sit there and continue to stand behind it. FU twice!

As for the rest of the cheap shot jack-offs on this board.

You want to insult me, fine, but don't cry foul when I throw an insult back at you. Thats what a double standard is.
I also want to thank all those copy editors who find it within themselves to correct my grammar and spelling.

Skirts shirts, my eye sight ain't what it used to be. Be that as it may I don't think it changes the point enough so that it can't be understood, typo's, and grammar snafus in all.

LEARN TO READ! Skirts shirts, whatever, it was the "sex with men" I took offense at.

Sex with men? Someone said something about sex with men? I thought sexualized was the word that was used. Sexualize = To make sexual in character or quality, not have intercourse with.

Skirts, Shirts..whatever? Aliantha never made any statement regarding men wearing skirts. YOU DID.

HUGE difference there bud. The point being that MEN that go without their shirts are macho and hot, which is OK, but WOMEN that go without their shirts (IE: TOPLESS you nincompoop) are sluts and asking for sex which is NOT OK.

Skirts or pants are completely irrelevant.

But you are unable to admit you made a mistake so you're sticking with your erroneous babble and adding insult to injury by flinging some verbal abuse about. How pathetic.

Stormie

We're pretty adamant about educating our attendees not to do *anything* with which they are not comfortable. Anyone observed by our rather large Staff behaving inappropriately usually experiences an intervention from one of our burly, yet sensitive Safety Gods.

I cannot say definitively that sexual pressure does not occur at our Fest, or that women (or even men) sometimes succumb to that pressure, but I'd be fairly confident in saying that it probably happens less often per capita than with the public at large.

bmw...you're choosing to take offense. I have not used a swear word at you. I have patiently responded to your somewhat rude comments which have been directed at me. I have attempted to discuss the issue with you. As stormie has tried to point out, you have made an error in what you read. I never at all suggested in the course of this thread that men wear skirts in any way or how they might be viewed if they did, however, if you'd like to discuss that, then by all means, let's do so.

Otherwise (and as always), read the post, respond to it in a reasonable and thoughtful manner, or don't bother responding. :)

Oh, and just so that it's clear, I wouldn't FU if you were the last man standing or the first for that matter. I have a lot more class than that.

He screwed up, we all know it, but he's such an ass when he was called on it he flew into a hissyfit and claimed everyone else to be stupid without ever going back to see his mistake.
Even when I pointed to his mistake, to stop the wrangling, he couldn't see it....what a loser. :crazy:

I really, can't see how a woman wearing skimpy clothes invites rape. Most rape is about control not sexual attraction.

That's a good point. What about big chested women who wear low cut or tight tops and then get insulted when guys stare at their chests?

now, THAT, 9th, pisses me off. What REALLY get me are those shirts that say "my eyes are up here", but any girl who wears skimpy clothes then gets mad for gettin' looked at has a problem.

I'll agree with you both on that note.

If I wear low cut tops or short shorts, I wouldnt ever complain that guys are noticing but I DONT believe I am in any way inviting a guy to force himself on me (and I know neither of you, 9th or Ibram, are saying that I would be)

If you put the goods in the window, expect them to be oggled. ;) (she says as she sits here in her bikini)

you know zippy will be in here screaming for pics in a minute!!

I'll probably be back in the pool by then. ;) (maybe even with my kini top off lol)

have you got something in your right eye hun? :p

This is the quote I am insulted by. It is what I have been expressing my anger at. It is a repugnant and grotesque statement. Its not the first time a women has used the gay angle to belittle men that don’t eat out of there hands but it’s an offensive comment. Its written as a question doesn't hide its intent.

If I mistook skirt for shirt than that’s that, but my reply was in jest and she turn it into a despicable insult. I can’t even match it with profanity in response, it’s that bad. Homosexuality is an abomination of mankind.

In all my writing no matter how raw or direct it has been I have never attached on anyone in anyway such an immorality.

Here what "sexualized" can mean...

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sexualized

Now heres the link to one of the definition...
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sexual

I'm bisexual.

Youre still a jerk.

Any questions?


(psst, what do you think youre implying calling people 'sally's?)
(psst number two, do you eat shellfish? or wear polyester?

Abomination!)
(psst number three, if you think that calling or implying that someone is gay is an insult in any way, youre just proving yet again that youre a bigoted, prejudiced, closedminded, homophobic, sexist, perverted son of a motherfucker)

http://cellar.org/2006/haggard.jpg

You know what they say about people who preach hard against teh ghey.

About people who take really big offense at the suggestion.

Complain more, bm, and keep quoting the part you are outraged about over and over again. I'm sure it doesn't mean anything.

Your probably right but if I don't stick up for myself then who will..You, fat chance.

BTW, at least that guy admitted he was wrong and his action immoral.

You know what they say about people that say you know what they say.

Nah, he's just sorry he got CAUGHT.

When I hear you're gay, I don't need to stick up for you, because I don't really care what you are.

BM - you and your "holier than thou" attitude just is not going to cut it here. You may bully your opinions on whomever you hang around with wherever you are from, but not here pal - welcome to the cellar "where diverse opinions are welcome and bigotry & hate are publically refused."

Hey, that tagline isn't very funny...

Sorry - I'm in a very odd mood today - emotionally withdrawn - its been a very hard weekend.

BMW is such a drama queen. Can we plz just ignore him and get back the issue at hand? Wait...what is that again?

Unfortunately the issue at hand in this thread would be BMW's ranting, he started the damn thing after all...

Better reread some of your own post then come and then come and tell me about "holier then thou" remarks.

I'll say it again; you want to take shots at me then don't act shocked when I take a few back at you. Thats not holier than thou thats standing up to people that claim to be wide minded yet are narrow in defintions. I'm not going to sit back and let my remarks be twisted and the topic evaded through cheap shots on my character.

It has been shown, by more than one, scientific study, that homophobia is rooted in homosexual tendencies.
I'm sure some closet case with issues will ask that I provide proof... here is a link to Google. Have at it.
The are very easy to find.
People who worry about other's sexuality HAVE to have issues about their own, it is the only thing that makes sense.
Another's sexuality cannot affect you, unless it is self-inflicted.

Your another one that likes to take shots at people then cry foul when they throw them back.

Why even mention me just write on the topic. You can't because the opportunity to talk crap and throw insults is what you really want to do.

You get what you give in this world. Don't complain.

Hey, Dr. Freud, is that your professional opinion or more crap mouth. Homophobia is another one of those argument control tactics. The notion that people that don't accept homosexuality are supposed to be repressing is like playing the race card or women hater to control the conversation.

It’s not my place to tell people how to live but I don't have to accept it or like it. Characterizing those that don't agree with you as physiologically deficient is the weakest hand you can play. Just like playing the race card or women hater, it’s nothing more than a cheap shot.

What, exactly, does it mean when you don't "accept" homosexuality? I hear all the time that homosexuals are trying to "force" people to "accept" them, but I've bever been clear what that entails. I would have expected that if you recognize that it's not your " place to tell people how to live", then you have accepted it.

Um...isn't pretty much *all* of this dialogue/bullshit purely opinion? I think it is. Therefore, I think your opinion is pretty sucky. And I, like you, am entitled to my opinion.

However, because you find it offensive, I'll not go into the myriad possible sociological and psychological aberrations that would seem likely to have contributed to the formation of our respective opinions.

Gee BM, when I asked if you'd like to be sexualised by men, I didn't realise you'd be so offended.

You should get some help with that, seriously mate. You've got a problem.

Youre right about the race card... insofar as saying that or is no different than saying

I tried to read from the beginning but it started turning foul on the first page. If its all just bmw's rant, then why are so many cellarites paying attention? I say that we all are more intelligent then to be involved in such a pointless petty squabble. Trading insult after insult is really immature and it somewhat dissapoints me that we are so easily captured by bmw's hostile posts. By being so responsive to his posts, we are only encouraging him. For example my brother and I used to have burping contests and when my sis got mad/cried we were only encouraged to burp more, louder and longer. Unfortunatly it has been a long time since my bro and I have had the chance to engage in a serious contest, and I think that I have lost my touch.
That said...
Let me address the question bmw originally psted then:
I would not marry a porn star who is currently working as such, but if they have since left that job, no longer lead a promiscuous life, and respect sex as a demonstration of equal parts emotional love, and physical passion then I would consider them. Of course I would have to find other similarties and love them as a person before I would want to dedicate my love to them. But being a former porn star in of itself is not enough to cause me to disregard them as a partner.

I already answered the thread's question, but I'll do so once more.

That little emotional outburst is pretty telling.

Oh yea is all me.:wstupid: It must be nice to have such selective attention.:dunce:

Do tell. If I can articulate why can't you? You got a big mouth and an insulting disposition now show everybody you got some gray matter too.

Self-respect is not so vile a sin as self-neglect.

It appears many people on this board have very selective memories and perceptions. My rantings, and what would you call those insulting and childish retorts by other posters??????

Are those my rantings too? If you care to read carefully it wasn't me that threw the first hand full of mud. I wonder if that really matters now that the gang has decided that intelligence conversation isn't as important as ostracizing posters.

Pray tell sir. Or maybe that point is just to intelligent to address.

Stop trying to act like a victim and back up your bullshit with something other than bigotry, prejudice, and sexism.

Oh yeah, and just for good measure...
Fuckin' homophobe.

No its not acceptance. Life is about choices. Respecting peoples choice, good or bad, immoral or unethical, ethical and moral, or even criminal, isn't acceptance its recognition. Once recognized its up to the law or the social norms in a particular culture of a society to determine its affect on how people treat one another.

We may not like many of the laws or social norms of a society or culture but we obey them as a civil duty. In any society no person is an island we are all part of a community link together. Norms change and cultures evolves but its the direction of the evolution which will always be in contention. Ok!:)

I know, I know, more BM rantings.:right:

Still ignoring me, bmwmcaw?

Then what are you doing to stop it? If you recognize that it is not your place to do anything to stop it, then you have decided that you find it acceptible. You may not like it, but you've accepted it.

So...tell me again how adults doing what they want to other consenting adults is going to harm our society, influence our children and generally sap us of our essential fluids? 'Cause I'm not getting it. How, precisely, is being gay an abomination? Because someone slips Part A into Part C instead of Part B? I mean, I've slipped Part A into Mrs Elspode's Part C a few times. Does that make me abominable? What if I've spilled my seed on the ground a time or two?

I'm just trying to get a handle on this whole "abomination" thing. I'm completely lost.

Ok, I'll try an answer your failure to understand this way; Life begins at conception, life is perpetuated by members of the same species through copulation between opposite of their respective sexes. I can't even think of one species of plant or animal on this wide earth that engages in homosexual acts on a regular base, if at all.

If not just that it runs counter to everything we see around us in the natural world it and the natural order if left to grow and spread it could theoretically lead to the extinction of all mankind. Now hows that for sapping the essential fluids out of ya.:D

Objection to homosexuality and its deviant behavior isn’t just based on personal dislike but a sound argument based on the natural world.

BTW, sodomy is an abomination because that’s not how those parts are supposed to be used. Abominations and our collective recognition of them stems from gross affronts to actions that fall outside the natural order of things and our collective definitions of social norms.


Getting a little clearer now?:)

Dolphins, for one.

In fact, most species show signs of homosexuality. Do some research if youre going to try to use science and logic to defend your bigotry.

...And 'not how theyre supposed to be used' according to who, exactly?

Loads of animals are homosexual.

Ah. guess you've been too busy to watch the DiscoveryChannel, eh? well, no matter. I'm sure your school of...whatever...has many, MANY followers...really hope none of them turn out to be Gay, though.