it is always ok if after you shoot them in the back, you flip 'em over shoot 'em in the front drag 'em around the house for a bit and makeit look like a nice big fight.

in CO you can shoot them if they have broken into your house, are an immediate threat to someone's life, or if they are committing arson. Only arson, no other personal property crime. No backshooting, either. yell at em and make em turn around first.

Great Britain confiscated tons and tons of shotguns and other items from its subjects and destroyed them. Heirloom-quality stuff, too, not the kind you would rob a liquor store with. Sorry to see that it didn't solve the crime problem. Too bad, as well, that all the law-abiding British gun owners were essentially robbed by their government in the name of useless posturing for the anti-gun crowd.

And now, knives. If any of you guys need your steak cut, send it over and I'll do it for you. At least until beef consumption is banned. And if you all get sick of being oppressed by your government, we've cleared a substantial swath of land for you in the middle east. Ripe for colonization by disaffected Brits. Worked for us 300 years ago, you might try it.

Floridians (as of December, I believe) will be able to respond to a 'life-threatening situation' in any location with retaliatory fire. Whether or not that's a good thing has yet to be determined.

Anything that decreases jeb's minions is a good thing. ;)

THAT sounds like legally-sanctioned open season on the staff of abortion clinics :mg:

"Floridians (as of December, I believe) will be able to respond to a 'life-threatening situation' in any location with retaliatory fire. Whether or not that's a good thing has yet to be determined."

Florida's been a "shall issue concealed-carry permits" state since 1987, so they've had something like this in effect for eighteen years. It's caused a dramatic, longterm drop in crime in Florida, too, so we can expect this new measure to be a good thing. There are those who are desperate never to acknowledge this, out of either an appalling fear of guns or an even more appalling love for crime and genocide, but the facts are on the side of the NRA, the GOA, the JPFO, and the real genocide opponents worldwide: arm the good guys extensively, and the bad guys fail. Which is what's wanted, isn't it?

The JPFO's argument that if you're truly antigenocide you are progun has never been refuted, rebutted, or debunked, and it's been out there since 1994.

Are you sure you're a Californian?

Birth certificate says "Fort Ord," which is just north of Monterey.

Hey, just because Sacramento is unenlightened (even the Governator could pull up his socks on the issue) doesn't mean I suffer from the same problem. :cool: Thirty-eight other states of the Union have experienced the joy of dramatic and permanent declines in the crime rate from freeing up concealed carry alone. California is not one of them. Get enough progun people into the front lines here and we could really repair this state.

Fort Ord? So you're an army brat like Marichiko. :haha:

Be nice! :biggrin:

Actually concealed carry is my answer to terrorism etc... Nothing like armed citizens to keep the bad guys wondering.

Mmm... though in that instance it requires a considerable measure of just sheer luck to successfully counter a homicide-bomber with pistol fire. In Israel, that's only happened about twice, and they've had practice. There's been one instance at least in Iraq, but that was with a .50-cal sniper rifle in a battle and it rather raised the shooter's eyebrows at the time. One expects a man body-shot with a single bullet to fall down, not to blow into a cloud of pink mist.

Bruce, permit me to advise you against trying too hard to look like an asshole early on. If you are indeed a genuine, spherical asshole, it will become evident in due course. Give it time to transpire. If you are not a spherical asshole (one no matter what angle you look from) perhaps you'd rather not convey an unfortunate first impression. Ball's in your court.

UG - your entrance into some recent threads has managed to make me look like a raging liberal. wow. i've got ask though - do you believe all the shite you are spouting or are you just trolling?

Hmm. How raging are you?

I've been around here before, though there's been a long pause. Got to amble over to Cyber Soap Box too, sometime soon, and see what's doing.

I've been around the world, in installments -- the ends of the belt, as it were, meet about the east longitude of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. I'm pushing fifty. I read, I study -- and all this has added up to the views I'm "spouting," and motivates me to send certain people scuttling, scourged. Politically, I am of the right-Libertarian persuasion; libertarianism strikes me as the better political philosophy, but I often agree with Republicans, particularly in their strength -- foreign policy.

you haven't spouted much big L libertarianism in these parts from what i've seen. you are talking about an interventionist, nationbuilding ideology. if that is what you believe then good for you, but don't fool yourself into believing that is libertarianism.

and just to be clear - if you think you have sent anyone away feeling scourged or chastened you might want to go back and reread your interactions.

Read what I've written replying to Jaguar -- a scourgebunny if ever there was one. He's cold meat.

From what I understand of libertarianism (I'm a small L, btw), it is simply too important to brook interference from slavemongers, collectivists, and other boobies.