Most "local" Indonesian cigarettes have cloves. Ex-President's son Tommy Suharto used to have the clove monopoly!!

At 7000 Rupiah a packet kids don't have to do that anymore, although you can buy 3 cigarettes from small shops. Kids start young here. It's a sign of manhood (sic) you know circumcision at 12, cigarettes at 13. My Thai partner notices how many people in Indonesia smoke compared to Thailand. She says everyone! Also she notices there are no phone boxes on the street and the gas stations only have one or two pumps.

Congrats be-bop. I'm sure your lungs are thanking you.

*swoons*

That gives the poor boy 623 FEWER weeks to overcome the trauma. Why wait, if you're gonna do it anyway? *shivers*

A neighbor's husband was converting to Judaism for her, and part of the process was he was supposed to go through the bris ceremony performed on babies, part of which is the circumcision. He was already circumcised, but he still had to let the mohel (sp?) nick him with a razor. I was completely shocked that he would do something like that for her--and that wasn't even a full circumcision...

screw that! then again I was born in a jewish hospital (trust me in Kc you want to go to one..) so what's done is done.. and even if it hadn't been I more than likely would have had it done at some point.. the idea of schmegma (sp?) is *shivers* icky. (heh I have enough trouble keeping my fingernails clean :) )

schmegma- what is it?
Nevermind, I looked it up. Smegma is supposedly a great thing-

""Smegma is probably the most misunderstood, most unjustifiably maligned substance in nature. Smegma is clean, not dirty, and is beneficial and necessary. It moisturizes the glans and keeps it smooth, soft, and supple. Its antibacterial and antiviral properties keep the penis clean and healthy. All mammals produce smegma. Thomas J. Ritter, MD [co-author of Say No to Circumcision] underscored its importance when he commented, 'The animal kingdom would probably cease to exist without smegma.'" ("Where Is My Foreskin? The Case Against Circumcision," by Paul M. Fleiss, MD, Mothering, Winter 1997) "

And if you'd like to learn more about smegma and see some photos, (NOT for work), here you go :): http://www.foreskin.org/smegma.htm

uh, you could cough it up, pick it out of your nose, ears, or eyes... really it is just a descriptor for gross stuff.

at least in my word usage.

If I'm coughing up smegma, picking it out of my ears and nose and eyes, DAMN, I must've been kinky last night!!

well, thanks for the information, but i'll stick with my former word usage. any creamy oily substance that is on my penis without sexual activity is pretty gross, if you ask me.

but what do i know, mr happy doesn't wear a turtleneck. :headshake

I almost hurled when I read the last few posts in this thread. I thought we were talking about cigarettes. :vomit:

I guess that could be my crazy american influence talking, but man, those pictures nearly did me in.

well, a cigarette is always great afterwards...

Um, and just for the record, my husband isn't circumsized and I have NEVER seen smegma until I saw those pictures! The foreskin does kind of hold in sweat and leftover urine, though, so I won't go near the damn thing unless he just got out of the shower...

Smegging Hell!! Any Red Dwarf fans out there?

it isn't the uncircumsized penis that bothers me...that's not an issue....its that smegma stuff...blech.

http://www.cellar.org/images/smilies/thumb.gif

"Smeg" is probably the best sci-fi cuss ever invented.

Stacey, this has been a really, um, entertaining and educational thread. But. Look, just don't f*ckin smoke, problem solved.

Now in anticipation of the glorious HELL to be rained down upon me for deliberately oversimplifying the scenario, I "preemptively" respond: whatever.

Dress it up any which way you like, at the end you're either still smokin and takin all the attendant health risks, or you're NOT smoking and you avoid the risks. Whatever.