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mrnoodle 06-15-2005 04:35 PM

Hey, that's what probation's for. Outline your problems with her performance (in the presence of HR), and say she has 90 days to rectify the situation. If she fails to do so, you can assume that she is resigning from her position. You will lose the respect of your GOOD employees if you let one bad apple pwn you in front of them.

Undertoad 06-15-2005 04:47 PM

i would make a mistake like the flower card

Troubleshooter 06-15-2005 05:28 PM

You aren't pushing her out. You are simply fulfilling your portion of the agreement between employer and employee. She agreed to meet certain standards to remain employed. She is failing in that so you are able to fulfill your commitment to the company by canning her.

And I said it was a waffle, not pancakes.

lookout123 06-15-2005 05:30 PM

there is a difference between (by accident) opening someone's package, and being nosy and opening the package then opening the card, then dialing the phone, then reading the card into someone's voice mail.

mr noodle, i don't have any other employees. that is why i came to this firm. it is me and my assistant. that is why it is so important that we both be on the same page.

Clodfobble 06-15-2005 06:18 PM

If there are tasks she's refusing to do, could you perhaps hire someone young (but up-and-coming, talented) and tell her that this young woman is her assistant--and then over the next two months give this younger woman all her tasks, and then when she is doing NOTHING, then could you fire her?

lookout123 06-15-2005 07:21 PM

in theory, yes, but then i would be paying two salaries, benefits, etc. while my business is doing well, i'm not in a position to do that right now.

tw 06-15-2005 07:41 PM

A 6% raise by itself and compared to others in the economy is massive. Most friends are offering their employees about 1% and never more than 2%. BTW inflation is running at what - 2%?

The question cannot be answered in terms of percent alone. Many bosses want to determine raise only in terms of previous pay. Some people are underpaid and eventually learn it. If the inequity is not corrected, a firm will have both an adversarial employee and then lose talent. High performance employees are often ones first brought in with low or moderate pay. They expect a raise to compensate for the job they are performing better than their peers - especially after learning how much others are getting paid and discovering how much better they were than they first thought.

IOW it is not reasonable to answer this question without information on peer performance and pay. But too often, bosses don't want to measure an employee to what others are doing. They want to restrict the analysis only to what the employee was paid previously.

kerosene 06-15-2005 07:47 PM

Here's an idea:

1. Write up a list of policies you think slant out of her favor, for example, "In an effort to focus on our business goals, Jimbob Company expects all employees to spend no more than 30 minutes on personal telephone calls and make no more than 3 personal email correspondences each day with a possible exception of emergencies. Neglecting this policy is grounds for disciplinary action and may result in termination."

2. Try to come up with policies that are easy to prove were broken.

3. Print a copy for you and for her and ask her to sign both. It will have to be a condition of continued employment, or you have insubordination.

4. Watch her like a hawk. Write her up for everything. Make her become the problem that she is, instead of the other way around. IMHO you have done everything you can to keep her, but she insists that she deserves better. If she really feels that way, knock her down a few pegs. She will realize that some of the things she is doing are getting on your nerves and won't be tolerated anymore.

I would have killed for a job like that when I was looking. Even just admin work would have been nice for a small corporation and a decent boss.

lookout123 06-15-2005 08:00 PM

they are salaried positions in the mid to upper $20's. not exciting but they are hired with no experience. as i said, pay raises are once a year based upon their performance and relationship with their broker. the broker may or may not share their bonuses withthe assistant. there are a few assistants making 6 figures. many making $50K+. it is based on the size of the brokers bonus, obviously.

tw, what other people make is irrelevant. beginning salary is based on skills and local market conditions. she can go elsewhere if she believes she can find abetter deal. if an employee agrees to do a job for $X and the next year they are expected to do the same job for $X + 6%, that is the employee's decision. if the person wants to leave the business owner has to decide if keeping that employee is worth more money - often they are, in this case, definitely not.

wolf 06-16-2005 12:22 AM

I accept a lot of flowers. Every delivery like that comes through my department.

We don't even tell the recipient that we have flowers for them, just tell them to come down to intake.

Reading the card is a MAJOR trust violation, IMHO. Not strictly against company policy, obviously, but not a good thing.

cowhead 06-16-2005 12:36 AM

HAH! any percent is god in foodservice even if you are damn good and make them money eventually they will replace you with someone cheaper.. hey, you're in Austin.. I can make some calls and get you someone worth the trouble.

Clodfobble 06-16-2005 08:04 AM

Lookout's in Arizona, not Austin.

xoxoxoBruce 06-18-2005 12:17 AM

Make her eat the mushrooms. ;)

capnhowdy 06-28-2005 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
Make her eat the mushrooms. ;)

You NEVER cease to crack me up.
Just when you thought it was safe to be serious.......... :lol:

lookout123 07-14-2005 02:07 PM

update:

shortly after the last post Jimbob sat clementine down for a conference call with the HR people. when she figured out what was going on she refused to walk into the office demanding that i hang up the call and discuss this with just her, no HR involved. i pressed the speakerphone button so they could hear and she promptly shut up and sat down.

i presented very well documented inadequacies that ended up costing me and the business a chunk of change and some clients' trust. she didn't dispute any of the facts whatsoever but kept returning to the "you are just picking on me and i don't know why" bit. the call got ugly on her part with accusations, etc. in each case i looked at my notes and said - "do you mean on X date, when i asked you to do ____ and it didn't get done? is that the event you are talking about?" and then she would attack the HR people for always siding with the broker. at which point, her representative on the call(who happens to be THE director of HR), broke in and told her to be quiet, quit interrupting, or she would remove herself from the case so that she could write Clem up for insubordination herself. :mg:

in the end, Clem received a written warning. she was all tears and drama and demanded to know what i wanted from her. my response was that:

A) you will listen, learn, and comply and become a VERY good assistant
B) you will decide you can't do the job and resign
C) you will refuse to comply and we will continue the process through termination.

Clem was and is not a happy camper.

Clem is also unhappy because i removed her flex time schedule privileges due to abuse and a lack of confidence that she is working when i'm not here. she is working the same number of hours, but it is now an 8-4:30 sched. with mandatory 1/2 hour lunch. (she stays half an hour later now, but she had the option)
yesterday, at 2 she tells me that i have to change the schedule because there isn't enough work to justify keeping her an extra 1/2 hour. i just stared at her and reminded her that she is working the same number of hours as before. she made crack that the previous 2 broker's had tried to change her hours and she kept her schedule the same anyway. she kept pushing and pushing and pushing so i gave her the freedom to choose.
A) find a way to stay busy for the whole day (learning new skills, organizing, working on marketing, etc.)
B) cut her hours down to 35 so that she doesn't get bored.

then i told her to organize the product literature area to give her something to do - a task she has been saying she would do for a month. of course, she went home without doing it.
Yep, HR agreed with me - that was insubordination. i expect another conference call with HR tomorrow.

i no longer feel bad at all. she is pushing herself right out the door.


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