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Troubleshooter 03-16-2004 11:47 AM

Re: Prison would be a LOT more effective if....
 
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Originally posted by phillybilly
The decided to do lab testing on convicts than on animals.....

NOW before anyone gets their panties in a bunch...I mean HARDCORE criminals...forgers, pickpockets, bruglars...etc....I don't mean them......How about multiple rapists/murderers (hey the green river killer....Why should the people of Wash. state have to pay to keep this lunatic locked up...)

Does them with some aids or cancer and give them experimental drugs to see how they would effect the human body! Hey it's the LEAST they can do to re-pay society!!

I think the whole escape from NY...escape from LA thing is looking more and more attractive!!!

Later!

Lady Sidhe has been pushing this idea for years, but I don't think it's practical because you have no way to measure or control the quality of the research subject. You can't control their drug intake or have any idea of their medical history.

Clodfobble 03-16-2004 01:33 PM

Yeah, but who needs a medical history to find out if, say, the eyeliner irritates their eyes or the perfume makes them break out in hives?

That'd be DAMN funny, inmates forced to walk around wearing experimental-formula makeup.

richlevy 03-17-2004 01:47 PM

Re: Prison would be a LOT more effective if....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by phillybilly
The decided to do lab testing on convicts than on animals.....

NOW before anyone gets their panties in a bunch...I mean HARDCORE criminals...forgers, pickpockets, bruglars...etc....I don't mean them......How about multiple rapists/murderers (hey the green river killer....Why should the people of Wash. state have to pay to keep this lunatic locked up...)

Actually, my father used to be part of a company that did just that. They tested the effectiveness of over the counter drugs past their expiration dates at prisons and colleges.

It consisted of subjects being paid to take aspirin, anti-histamine, etc and allow blood samples to be taken.

jaguar 03-18-2004 03:04 PM

I think it works well as a deterrant. If it wasn't for prison I wouldn't put half as much effort into covering my traces.

Lady Sidhe 04-07-2004 11:46 PM

Re: Prison would be a LOT more effective if....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by phillybilly
The decided to do lab testing on convicts than on animals.....

Does them with some aids or cancer and give them experimental drugs to see how they would effect the human body! Hey it's the LEAST they can do to re-pay society!!


FINALLY! Someone who agrees with what I've been saying for years!

I also think that prisons should be self-sufficient, like Hunt Correctional Center here in Louisiana. Why should we have to pay for these people? I'm all for the Gov. in Arizona who put the inmates in tents in the desert.


Hunt is also a "deadline" facility, in that there are no fences. There are field workers and armed guards on horseback, and if anyone tries to make a run for it, they shoot them. Hunt, however, isn't a "prison." It's more of a "boot camp." You have to be a trustee to go into the Impact Program, and every two days there takes a day off your sentence. They get up at the ass-crack of dawn, do PT, run a few miles (or if they piss off their guard, they duckwalk for a few miles--got that straight from the mouth of a duck who spent over a year there. They grow beans, so that's what the inmates get to eat. He swears he'll never touch beans again.), then they go to work doing whatever it is they're told to do. Not a whole lot of tolerance for bullshit at Hunt.

And hell, inmates get free schooling anyway--I think that a useful degree should be a requirement for parole/release. That way they have something they can use to support themselves when they get out.

And last, but not least: put executions on pay-per-view and donate the money to the prisons. Then the anti-death-penalty whiners won't be able to say that it costs more to execute someone than keep them alive.....

Well, that's all from me tonight...I've been up since 6am, and it's midnight. I have to get up in six hours.

Night, all...



Sidhe

Scopulus Argentarius 04-08-2004 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by Troubleshooter
As near as I can tell, todays prisons are not much more than a period of taking it in the ass while you learn how to not get caught. There's your rehabilitation.

A lot of people don't realize where the term "deadline" comes from.

It comes from early prisons that didn't have walls, only a line on the ground.

If you crossed that line a sniper administered the punishment.

There's what used to be a deterrent.

confirms my feelings about work...a prizon full of deadlines.....

wolf 04-08-2004 12:41 AM

Once upon a time, they did do medical experiments on prisoners.

There is a book about the studies done at Holmesburg Prison in Philadelphia.

ladysycamore 04-08-2004 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Troubleshooter
Compare the lives and rights of a prisoner to that of a person in the military.

To the ones that deserve to be in prison, fuck you, you have it easier, and have more rights, than I did.

And, if needed, prisoners would be able to get an organ transplant sooner than *I* would! :mad:


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