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piercehawkeye45 10-07-2010 03:37 PM

$116.4 billion a year for gas for the Marines in Afghanistan alone?

glatt 10-07-2010 03:55 PM

I've heard the Roman Empire fell when it overextended itself in unsustainable distant foreign wars. Hmm...

Almost 10 years in Afghanistan, and what do we have to show for it? Think if we had spent all that money on infrastructure here in the US.

skysidhe 10-07-2010 05:17 PM

I have hated this war from the beginning. I have been good about not caring anymore about what and who morons vote for, but this article jars me out of my apathy, in so much that I feel a little :greenface

xoxoxoBruce 10-07-2010 05:26 PM

In Iraq we were paying damn near that much, by the time is was trucked in from Kuwait, and selling it to Iraqi civilians for 15 cents a gallon, to keep them happy.

skysidhe 10-07-2010 05:51 PM

Damage control, isn't it nice. :mad:

Spexxvet 10-08-2010 03:37 PM

Don't I remember someone posting that the military should take over some task because they could do it cheaper? Hah!

classicman 10-08-2010 04:54 PM

Find that.

Urbane Guerrilla 10-08-2010 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skysidhe (Post 687020)
UB shut up. or up yours or whatever. I don't care what any of the stinking opinions are.

You ought to, or enlightened -- non-, or counter-leftist -- thought shall never grace your mind. What a decay that would be. And that does not have to happen.

"Hating this war from the beginning" when it demolishes totalitarians is something I simply cannot do, out of my humaneness, which it appears you despise. The destruction of totalitarian less-than-democracy is always good for all mankind and womankind too. This is not a "stinking opinion," Sky.

All things being equal, you wouldn't have a problem with having a graceful mind, would you?

skysidhe 10-08-2010 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 687330)
You ought to, or enlightened -- non-, or counter-leftist -- thought shall never grace your mind. What a decay that would be. And that does not have to happen.

"Hating this war from the beginning" when it demolishes totalitarians is something I simply cannot do, out of my humaneness, which it appears you despise. The destruction of totalitarian less-than-democracy is always good for all mankind and womankind too. This is not a "stinking opinion," Sky.

All things being equal, you wouldn't have a problem with having a graceful mind, would you?



Grow a gracious mind for yourself and leave me out of your political and social machinating.

I am finished responding to you.

classicman 10-08-2010 10:05 PM

Hiya Sky... Hows things in Burbank? :3eye:

skysidhe 10-08-2010 10:40 PM

Well, I'm not exactly throwing darts at a map of Burbank,Ca YET ;)

classicman 10-08-2010 10:56 PM

I tried that already. Save yourself the trouble. I think its San Diego anyway. ;)

Urbane Guerrilla 10-09-2010 12:35 AM

Sky, darlin', you're left behind the curve. I've already done so, and quite some time back. Note the urbane fashion in which I refuse to take offense at your sniveling snarling as evidence thereof.

This doesn't mean I can't call a spade a spade, a tool a tool, and an entrenching tool an etcetera. When someone utters a stupid or less-than-optional thought, I get to tell them what they did. As a general rule, I leave no one out. Insofar as I can.

Yes, I can become indignant. Even if it leaves me unappreciated among the trogs.

I don't even take refuge in Logical Positivism.

I also prefer to own that Ronald Reagan T shirt in the style of the popular Ché shirt, rather than the Ché. Or maybe this one. Same company.

Urbane Guerrilla 10-09-2010 12:49 AM

Glatt, Glatt, Glatt. Am I wrong to wish you knew more about counterinsurgency?

Insurgencies take a long time to build, and long and continual social discontent before they become viable at all. (This was the thing the leftist radicals of the Sixties never understood. Sure, they felt discontented. What they never got was they were the only ones.) It takes a like period of time to turn a discontented society away from insurgency. It is an unmiraculous, daily-grind endeavor of small daily victories or losses.

You can find a lot more in indepth study of the subject, but that's the bumper-sticker version.

Cracking the nuts of freedom's enemies is not something I run out of patience with.

xoxoxoBruce 10-09-2010 01:40 AM

Fortunately, Petraeus is smarter than you, and could tell the difference between a counter-insurgency and an invasion. That's why he was able to rally the locals against the invaders in Iraq, and stop the madness, rather quickly.


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