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Shawnee123 10-05-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 686578)
I think more people are informed on the issue than are not, at least among the people I talk to, take the Cellar, most people know the difference.

The Cellar, while a reflection of the world, has a lot less illiterate people in it. ;)

Seriously, don't you think the bias can also go: all illegals are Mexican, and all Mexicans are illegal. There are way too many people who believe what they hear, especially when it gives them some kind of misguided birthright feeling of superiority.

xoxoxoBruce 10-05-2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 686578)
I think more people are informed on the issue than are not, at least among the people I talk to, take the Cellar, most people know the difference.

They have to know the difference to do what I said.

TheMercenary 10-05-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 686581)
Seriously, don't you think the bias can also go: all illegals are Mexican, and all Mexicans are illegal. There are way too many people who believe what they hear, especially when it gives them some kind of misguided birthright feeling of superiority.

Sure it could go that way. I guess you would have to accept the first premise that "all illegals are Mexican". There are all kinds of bias out there about most hot button issues. I just don't think the majority of people who are invested in understanding where the problems lie in this issue accept that all people who have Mexican heritage are illegal. There are dumb asses everywhere in every state, on every issue. No one has a corner on dumbassedness.

TheMercenary 10-05-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 686589)
They have to know the difference to do what I said.

No doubt. I just don't think that is the majority.

piercehawkeye45 10-05-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 686603)
Sure it could go that way. I guess you would have to accept the first premise that "all illegals are Mexican". There are all kinds of bias out there about most hot button issues. I just don't think the majority of people who are invested in understanding where the problems lie in this issue accept that all people who have Mexican heritage are illegal. There are dumb asses everywhere in every state, on every issue. No one has a corner on dumbassedness.

Dumbasses tend to be the loudest.

Also, there might be a difference in generalizing illegals as Mexicans and being specific about it. I feel a lot of people, I'll admit to doing it once or twice, generalize and imply that illegal aliens are Mexicans but will obviously know its not true when questioned further. People then attack the generalization which was never suppose to be 100% accurate in the first place.....because it's a generalization. Miscommunication issue.

TheMercenary 10-05-2010 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 686615)
Dumbasses tend to be the loudest.

Also, there might be a difference in generalizing illegals as Mexicans and being specific about it. I feel a lot of people, I'll admit to doing it once or twice, generalize and imply that illegal aliens are Mexicans but will obviously know its not true when questioned further. People then attack the generalization which was never suppose to be 100% accurate in the first place.....because it's a generalization. Miscommunication issue.

I think when it comes to the actual reporting on the issue people are very careful not to generalize about "Mexicans" given the number of Americans with Mexican or Central American roots. The latest news seems to be focused on the immediate cross border town violence and the implications related to it. Pundits have tried to exploit the issue to tie it into the recent laws in AZ and those other borderstates are considering. That may or may not be a fair issue.

classicman 10-05-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 686581)
The Cellar, while a reflection of the world, has a lot less illiterate people in it. ;)

The cellar is far more intelligent than the average.

xoxoxoBruce 10-05-2010 10:29 AM

Too many people think this is just about Mexicans, when the illegals they are catching, just catching, are from everywhere... and increasingly from the middle east and Malaysia. The next thing you know the damn Aussies will be sneaking in. :facepalm:

Shawnee123 10-05-2010 10:32 AM

CRAP! Bite your tongue. A dingo ate your alien.

Just keep the Swiss out. Yeah, they're all neutral and stuff, but I hear they're very boring people....(I'm allowed to say that 'cause dad's side from Switzerland.)

TheMercenary 10-05-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 686623)
Too many people think this is just about Mexicans, when the illegals they are catching, just catching, are from everywhere... and increasingly from the middle east and Malaysia. The next thing you know the damn Aussies will be sneaking in. :facepalm:

It is interesting to see how the demographics have changed among those they are catching.

piercehawkeye45 10-05-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 686618)
I think when it comes to the actual reporting on the issue people are very careful not to generalize about "Mexicans" given the number of Americans with Mexican or Central American roots. The latest news seems to be focused on the immediate cross border town violence and the implications related to it. Pundits have tried to exploit the issue to tie it into the recent laws in AZ and those other borderstates are considering. That may or may not be a fair issue.

News reporters are going to be careful about it. I was talking more informally. But, it comes down to interpretation too. If you say illegal alien most people are going to think Hispanic. That interpretation can't be avoided in most instances.

TheMercenary 10-05-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 686629)
News reporters are going to be careful about it. I was talking more informally. But, it comes down to interpretation too. If you say illegal alien most people are going to think Hispanic. That interpretation can't be avoided in most instances.

That is true, I guess I was being pendantic considering the term "Mexican".

HungLikeJesus 10-05-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 686581)
The Cellar, while a reflection of the world, has a lot less illiterate people in it. ;)...

There's a huge contingent of illiterate people in the Cellar. They just don't read or write so you don't notice them.


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