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classicman 08-02-2010 01:48 PM

I edited the post and kept only that which I previously had made bold.
Shawnee has been on my ignore list for weeks.

Basically what you have said is that she made a decision, but not a ruling.

Bruce called it semantics. I agreed.

Shawnee123 08-02-2010 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 674032)
There was no bold, except for the usernames.

Shawnee's post shows that you understood this stuff four days ago. What happened?

This:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 673871)
Here Obama does what you want, in bunches, but you guys find ways to casually dismiss it.

There's no fun in the cure, the fun is in the bitch, or in the sycophantic slurping of ass-kissing.

Shawnee123 08-02-2010 01:55 PM

Happy Monkey, there still wasn't any bold except user titles, was there? :lol:

Boys got a mind like a steel trap, rusty that is.

Remember, he took time to very carefully show he understood the copyright crap, but kept right on doing it. When the Cellar gets sued...can that be ignored as well?

Happy Monkey 08-02-2010 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 674036)
I edited the post and kept only that which I previously had made bold.
Shawnee has been on my ignore list for weeks.

Here's what she quoted, that showed you seemed to have understood this better four days ago:
Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 673388)
Kept the obvious parts that were compliant and put "on hold" those that were in question. I like that she didn't rule with an "all-or-nothing" decision.

"on hold" is not the end.
Quote:

Basically what you have said is that she made a decision, but not a ruling.

Bruce called it semantics. I agreed.
Calling a preliminary injunction and the striking down of a law as unconstitutional semanically equivalent is silly.

Option 1: contested portions of the law can't take effect until both sides have a chance to make their case
Option 2: rule for the plaintiff without hearing the case.

The difference between those options is not semantic.

classicman 08-02-2010 02:30 PM

I stand corrected. My humblest of apologies to you HM.

xoxoxoBruce 08-02-2010 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 674040)
Option 1: contested portions of the law can't take effect until both sides have a chance to make their case
Option 2: rule for the plaintiff without hearing the case.

The difference between those options is not semantic.

Option 3: Rule for the defendant without hearing the case.
But since she's part of the power structure, that won't happen.

Happy Monkey 08-03-2010 10:40 AM

I wasn't listing all possible options; I was listing the two things that had been called semantically equivalent.

xoxoxoBruce 08-03-2010 11:02 AM

A law delayed is a law denied.

Happy Monkey 08-03-2010 11:44 AM

But only if they lose, in which case they should have been denied.

classicman 08-03-2010 01:19 PM

What if they win?

ETA - Would you consider that an injustice?

Happy Monkey 08-03-2010 01:41 PM

If they win, then it is not denied.

Consider what an injustice?

classicman 08-03-2010 02:55 PM

The initial denial.

Happy Monkey 08-03-2010 03:05 PM

It wasn't denied. It's only denied if they lose.

classicman 08-03-2010 03:42 PM

ok. yeh

xoxoxoBruce 08-03-2010 05:42 PM

A law delayed is a law denied.


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