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Redux 11-29-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 613466)
I lend credibility to the discussion by quoting those with credentials. You on the other hand really don't have any. None that I can see anyway. You are as faceless and nameless as the rest of us.

Keep those posts coming, Merc!

You're making my case for me every time.

:jig:

TheMercenary 11-29-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 613467)
Keep those posts coming, Merc!

You're making my case for me every time.

:jig:

How is that job stimulus coming along.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/34040009

Redux 11-29-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 613468)
How is that job stimulus coming along.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/34040009

The stimulus program is an 18-24 month program.

Unlike the partisan hacks on the right who judge a program to have failed even before it has been fully implemented, I will withhold judgement until the funds are fully allocated and expended. :)

TheMercenary 11-29-2009 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 613469)
The stimulus program is an 18-24 month program.

Unlike the partisan hacks on the right who judge a program to have failed even before it has been fully implemented, I will withhold judgement until the funds are fully allocated and expended. :)

Tell it to the unemployed and those who keep losing jobs as the Obama Administration continues to lie to the public about job formation.

Redux 11-29-2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 613470)
Tell it to the unemployed and those who keep losing jobs as the Obama Administration continues to lie to the public about job formation.

Political advocacy rule number 5 - When all you do is point fingers, assign blame, and intentionally ignore context.. and never offer constructive solutions, you are exposed as a partisan.

This is fun...I see a book coming out of this....Political Advocacy for Dummies.

I'll send you an autographed copy. :)

TheMercenary 11-29-2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 613471)
Political advocacy rule number 5 - When all you do is point fingers, assign blame, and intentionally ignore context.. and never offer constructive solutions, you are exposed as a partisan.

Political advocacy rule number 5a - When all you do is spew forth the party line you are exposed as a partisan.

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This is fun...I see a book coming out of this....Political Advocacy for Dummies.

I'll send you an autographed copy. :)
Sounds Great! I have a great idea for it. Should I send you pictures?:lol:

Redux 11-29-2009 12:59 PM

My apologies to the community for the distraction...even if some found it marginally entertaining and others who are probably bored with the same old crap.

Now back to "green" taxes discussion.

TheMercenary 11-29-2009 01:02 PM

You mean more about the gas tax? Nobody wants it, no one will support more taxes on gas at a federal level.

Redux 11-29-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 613477)
You mean more about the gas tax? Nobody wants it, no one will support more taxes on gas at a federal level.

Nobody wants it? No one will support it? So now you speak for everyone, huh?

Two commissions appointed by the last Republican majority Congress want it.

The American Trucking Association supports it.

The American Highway Users Alliance supports it.

The American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials support it.

The American Society of Civil Engineers support it.

And that fact is...we need it.

TheMercenary 11-29-2009 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 613480)
And that fact is...we need it.

And you and your Party is not going to get it. Unless that Nazi Pelosi slips it in sight unseen.

SamIam 11-29-2009 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 613477)
You mean more about the gas tax? Nobody wants it, no one will support more taxes on gas at a federal level.

Actually, while I would not support a mileage tax, I would support a raise in the federal tax on gasoline. My state seems to spend more on highway maintenance and construction than it does on anything else. A boost in federal assistance would free up state monies to go to other things like education and certain health care programs.

BTW, its OK to be partisan, Merc. We all know you are, anyway. You protest too much. ;)

TheMercenary 11-29-2009 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 613483)
Actually, while I would not support a mileage tax, I would support a raise in the federal tax on gasoline. My state seems to spend more on highway maintenance and construction than it does on anything else. A boost in federal assistance would free up state monies to go to other things like education and certain health care programs.

BTW, its OK to be partisan, Merc. We all know you are, anyway. You protest too much. ;)

Your state increase in Tax would help your state. A federal tax would only go to the Interstate. It would do little to repair the nations ailing roads and bridges, most of which are state owned and maintained.

I am more anti-partisan which includes the current party in power.

Redux 11-29-2009 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 613485)
....A federal tax would only go to the Interstate. It would do little to repair the nations ailing roads and bridges, most of which are state owned and maintained.....

Not quite.

The Highway Trust Fund taxes go to the National Highway System...not just the Interstate highways, but numerous others highways, roads and bridges in rural and urban areas.

The National Highway System, while only accounting for a small percentage of total roads, carries most of the traffic that is critical to the economy.

Most of the federal gas tax revenue is dedicated to the Interstate, but $billions go to the states for maintenance of state-administered roads in the National Highway System.

SamIam 11-29-2009 01:50 PM

States receives federal funding for the construction and maintenance of highways, emergency road repairs, safety projects, and other programs.

In addition to regular federal highway funding, states also anticipate receiving transportation funding through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. This includes grants to rural transit programs. So federal funding is not all about interstates.

TheMercenary 11-29-2009 02:04 PM

It makes reimbursements, states have to pony up the money. States have to ask for it in the form of vouchers which are submitted to the feds. It no way covers the small state roads and bridges.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06572t.pdf

Most of it goes to Federal Highways, some of it to mass transit. But by and large road projects are funded in each state by a majority of State funds, not federal dollars, unless it is a Federal highway.


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