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BigV 02-14-2009 09:16 PM

My point, and I thing TGGR's point is, that there comes a time when *enough* is known to make an actionable decision.

There are a million topics about which I know very little. Most of those topics have a depth of content that I haven't plumbed, that I haven't even skimmed. Some of those topics I disregard because I'm not interested in what I see in the title. Some I ignore because of who is talking about it. Others I don't bother with because the little I've seen is dumb. But in all those cases, we could have a talk about how much is too much and what is crap and what is not--even knowing little about the content.

Are you suggesting to me otherwise? Does your world have no gossips? No busybodies? No clueless bosses talking out their asses? No salespeople promising stuff they don't know about? No relatives that know more about your life and how you should live it than you do? Really? Then I'd like a ticket to your world, please. Because in my world, people talk all the time about stuff they don't know about. I'd like to vacation in xoB land. It would be quite refreshing, I imagine.

xoxoxoBruce 02-14-2009 09:29 PM

Yeah, I got that. But you said;
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And there's certainly plenty of room for spirited discussion about the quality and the quantity of that content.
My response is, there is too much spirited discussion by people that don't know what the fuck they're talking about, because they couldn't be bothered to find out what the content is, or decided they knew by some magical powers. I see it in the media, the real world, and here in the Cellar, people who become an expert from a sound bite.

Shawnee123 02-14-2009 09:31 PM

There are many things I'd rather not see or hear. But I don't comment on content if I can't be bothered to check it out.

Really, it could have warranted spirited discussion, from which I hoped to glean some ideas. The horsey side blinds don't impress me.

monster 02-14-2009 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 534524)
You disagree with his description of the difference between a republic and a democracy?

I do.... what a load of garbage

monster 02-14-2009 09:36 PM

OK,so finished reading the rest of the posts after that... if you didn't watch the whole thing, you probably should before commenting further. Yeah, it's propaganda, but it is well worded and in the main summarizes stuff pretty well.

But then...

it goes on to give an example of democracy vs a rebublic in a Wild West scenario.... and it turn into utter BS at that point.

monster 02-14-2009 09:41 PM

Democracy would not have lynched the guy on the spot-that's scaremongering BS. Just because all present were in favor of hanging the guy, that does not mean the majority of socity is. there would have been a trial, same as with the "republic" The video claimed Democracy but showed Oligarcy.

xoxoxoBruce 02-14-2009 09:49 PM

They not only would, they did, repeatedly. The posse/ lynch mob only work on the consensus of the people present. If 50% said hang 'em and nobody forces them to stop, they hanged 'em.

TGRR 02-14-2009 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 534640)
Yeah, I got that. But you said; My response is, there is too much spirited discussion by people that don't know what the fuck they're talking about, because they couldn't be bothered to find out what the content is, or decided they knew by some magical powers. I see it in the media, the real world, and here in the Cellar, people who become an expert from a sound bite.

Once I hear someone lie to me, I don't need any further information from them.

TGRR 02-14-2009 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 534645)
Democracy would not have lynched the guy on the spot-

Actually, democracy was pretty good for that.

Google "Ostrokos".

TGRR 02-14-2009 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 534597)
I, myself, can't handle vague opinions from people who didn't bother to watch.

I did watch. Until the bullshit got too thick.

It's interesting how you conveniently ignore that fact.

Meh.

BigV 02-14-2009 11:06 PM

A spirited discussion is possible without it being an informed discussion.

classicman 02-15-2009 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 534645)
Democracy would not have lynched the guy on the spot-that's scaremongering BS. Just because all present were in favor of hanging the guy, that does not mean the majority of socity is. there would have been a trial, same as with the "republic" The video claimed Democracy but showed Oligarcy.

What if the posse represented the society.
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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 534689)
Once I hear someone lie to me, I don't need any further information from them.

Thanks. We got that already.
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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 534704)
A spirited discussion is possible without it being an informed discussion.

Welcome to the interwebz :rolleyes:

TGRR 02-15-2009 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 534721)
Thanks. We got that already.

Not according to Shawnee.

TheMercenary 02-15-2009 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 534730)
Not according to Shawnee.

Now there's a source! :lol2:

TGRR 02-15-2009 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 534735)
Now there's a source! :lol2:

Sorry, I wasn't aware that I wasn't supposed to respond to her.

You and Classicman should warn people about these rules in advance.


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