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Shawnee123 10-08-2008 07:44 AM

But I think the majority here is slanted in one way, in this election, because the majority of people have lived through the past few years, and have made an informed decision as to which side they plan to land on, in November.

To attribute the slant you see here to individuals regurgitating views based on nothing other than party lines is, in my opinion, a grand underestimation of the intelligence and (mostly) open-mindedness of a large number of Dwellars. I really don't think everyone is towing the party line, as you say...I think most of us are just plain fed up with the status quo.

classicman 10-08-2008 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 491024)
This guy was awarded the Citizen of the Year in 1997 by Chicago. Mayor Richard Daley called him "a valued member of the Chicago community."

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Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan, Mayor Richard Daley...our leadership in Illinois...all Democrats.
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country. Cook County ( Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want). Chicago school system one of the worst in country. This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois.

classicman 10-08-2008 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 491053)
To attribute the slant you see here to individuals regurgitating views based on nothing other than party lines is, in my opinion, a grand underestimation of the intelligence and (mostly) open-mindedness of a large number of Dwellars.

I really don't think everyone is towing the party line, as you say...I think most of us are just plain fed up with the status quo.


I thought so too - not so sure lately though.

Therein lies a great deal of my frustration. That makes very little sense to me - the current "status quo" is as much if not more Obama's fault as it is McCain's.

Shawnee123 10-08-2008 08:23 AM

I don't have that frustration because I don't see it that way. That doesn't mean I'm right (but I am...jk) but to me the difference is clear. To me, the difference is SO clear that it's hard for me to imagine that anyone who isn't a strict party line person can see it any other way.

But now I better understand where you're coming from, so that's good. :)

classicman 10-08-2008 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 491063)
To me, the difference is SO clear that it's hard for me to imagine that anyone who isn't a strict party line person can see it any other way.

Yup - their differences are very clear. I agree with each of them on some things - that is the difference between me and many of you. I am not as far left as many of you, nor am I as far right.

What it is that makes either of these guys worthy of my vote?
On the left we have Obama, who has accomplished what? What has he done - Really?

On the right we have McCain who has a looooooong history and has fought for our country - been a POW... so???? What does all that really mean? Does that make him more qualified - I dunno, but I still don't agree with a lot of what he says.

So I'm left again/still with experience vs idealism.

HungLikeJesus 10-08-2008 09:17 AM

Thanks. All this time I thought it was "toe the line."

Happy Monkey 10-08-2008 09:20 AM

It is.

HungLikeJesus 10-08-2008 09:22 AM

Now Shawnee's thinking"... love isn't always on time."

classicman 10-08-2008 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dar512 (Post 490788)
Instead of recycling this same old stuff, convince me that McCain is a better man and has got a better plan.

I'm not recycling shit. I am trying to make a decision. Everything here is so slanted toward one side, its sickening. It seems to me that many of you all are simply voting against Bush as much as for Obama. Sounds to me like you are the one recycling a party line.

Lets turn your question back on you, since your mind is made up - YOU tell me why Obama is the better man. Better yet - put the two side by side and list all their accomplishments, stances, associations and so on...

Pico and ME 10-08-2008 09:52 AM

Classic, from your posts its looks like your mind is made up too. You may not be sure you like McCain, but you really give off the appearance that you DON'T want Obama in the White House. I'm the same way. I don't know if I trust Obama to actually implement his 'change' policy, but I KNOW I don't want McCain (because he, in my mind, WILL BE more of the same).

classicman 10-08-2008 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 491093)
Classic, from your posts its looks like your mind is made up too. You may not be sure you like McCain, but you really give off the appearance that you DON'T want Obama in the White House. I'm the same way. I don't know if I trust Obama can to actually implement his 'change' policy, but I KNOW I don't want McCain (because he, in my mind, WILL BE more of the same).

Good grief - why would I bother with all this if my mind was made up?

Why would I want Obama? What has he done? Same with McCain.
Hmm, so I was correct in my assumption that its more of a vote against Bush than it is for Obama. Thanks for your honesty.

HungLikeJesus 10-08-2008 10:05 AM

There's just not enough humor in these political threads.

Pico and ME 10-08-2008 10:10 AM

Classic, the way I see it, McCain IS Bush. He sold his soul to Team Bush a while ago in order to have this chance at the presidency.

Shawnee123 10-08-2008 10:16 AM

Every vote is a vote against someone. None of us are running down the street with signs that read: The end is nigh, unless you vote for Obama, our savior and lord.

He's not McCain. He isn't Bush's lap dog. He doesn't claim to be a "maverick" after all those years of pushing the Bush agenda. He actually gives a crap about the middle class, not just the fat cats and the baby-poppin' welfare moms (McCain's proposed tax benefits implicitly state more money "per child" which, if you've seen as many tax forms as I've seen, is ridiculous.)

With all due respect to McCain, because I don't think he's quite evil like Bush and I respect his service, he is very much like Bush. To pretend to be some maverick rabble-rousin' Yosemite Sam who is going to go in and put the smack down on evil Washington, after 26 years, is so completely ridiculous I have to laugh.

Obama is smart. Obama is fresh. Obama has served with class and dignity. Obama is not in the pocket of big oil.

Shawnee123 10-08-2008 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 491086)
Now Shawnee's thinking"... love isn't always on time."

On time? The f*cker ain't even showing UP!


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