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xoxoxoBruce 02-28-2009 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by barefoot serpent (Post 474945)
I'm betting that the 1950's car collectors clubs will be dead set against it.

The value of their collections will tank...

The Cuban owners of those cars can sell them, but they have been declared a national treasure and are not allowed to leave the island.

TheMercenary 02-28-2009 08:19 AM

Another good move by Obama. Now can he find the balls to go against the strong lobbyist organizations that are going to fight tooth and nail. We better get back in there before the Chinese and Russians get a better foothold.

TGRR 02-28-2009 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 539515)
Another good move by Obama. Now can he find the balls to go against the strong lobbyist organizations that are going to fight tooth and nail. We better get back in there before the Chinese and Russians get a better foothold.

I think you'll find Raul will be more than willing to talk things over.

Sure, you'll have a million pissed off Cubans in Florida, but I'm not sure I give a fuck about them.

sugarpop 02-28-2009 11:07 PM

Our policies toward Cuba are ridiculous and outdated.

TheMercenary 03-01-2009 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 539523)
I think you'll find Raul will be more than willing to talk things over.

Sure, you'll have a million pissed off Cubans in Florida, but I'm not sure I give a fuck about them.

Second.

Urbane Guerrilla 03-02-2009 07:25 PM

The way to lift socialism's yoke off of Cuba is to make the socialist régime completely irrelevant -- by really doing business, and prospering there not only without that régime, but altogether in spite of it. Marginalize the Commies.

TGRR 03-02-2009 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 540574)
The way to lift socialism's yoke off of Cuba is to make the socialist régime completely irrelevant -- by really doing business, and prospering there not only without that régime, but altogether in spite of it. Marginalize the Commies.

Truth. We defeated the USSR with Levis and McDonalds. We can do Cuba the same way.

TheMercenary 04-17-2009 10:10 AM

Well it looks like we are on our way to a change in the business as usual with Cuba. Obama should be congratulated for this policy change. It remains to be seen if Congress has the balls to carry the ball to the next step without the scum sucking lobbyists getting in on it and screwing it up.

classicman 04-17-2009 10:36 AM

Why would they do that? Whats in it for them?

TheMercenary 04-17-2009 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 557202)
Why would they do that? Whats in it for them?

There is a huge anti-Castro contengient in the US. Huge. They would want to prevent any form of normalizations. Of course they can't actually do that when it is done by the president, they can do it when congress takes more far reaching, long lasting action through the legislative process.

classicman 04-17-2009 02:52 PM

That didn't answer WHAT'S in it for them? You didn't say why or what the reason would be. I got that there are a bunch who hate Castro and have been holding a "grudge" for, well, forever - what benefit do they derive from it?

Clodfobble 04-17-2009 03:21 PM

The cigar lobby is probably pretty unhappy at the prospect. :)

TheMercenary 04-17-2009 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 557297)
That didn't answer WHAT'S in it for them? You didn't say why or what the reason would be.

Who knows. Other than hate for all things Castro.

classicman 04-19-2009 10:34 AM

So aside from hate they have no reason?

Redux 04-19-2009 10:56 AM

There is no huge anti-Castro lobbying network outside of the Cuban-American community in Florida and perhaps a few extreme anti-communists groups. And the Cuban-American community is becoming much more divided, with the older, first generation immigrants becoming much less influential.

The agriculture lobby, the oil lobby, the tourism lobby and many other business advocacy organizations have been pushing for ending the trade embargo against Cuba for years.

The only reason it hasnt ended.....Florida's 25 electoral votes.


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