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ZenGum 11-24-2007 05:52 AM

Ah-hah! Loophole!
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the university believes it is morally wrong to kill the animals simply because the experiment is over and you have no further use for the animal.
The reason for killing the carp is NOT "simply because the experiment is over and you have no further use for the animal".
It's because they are noxious pests.
Argue that to the ethics committee.

Aliantha 11-24-2007 05:55 AM

Her research involves having native fish such as golden pearch eat the carp fingerlings. If the theory works out in practice, this would obviously be a great argument for restocking creeks and rivers with native fish which would have more than one benefit. Obviously the main one being killing off the carp, but the secondary benefit of there being more sport for amature anglers etc.

Aliantha 11-24-2007 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 409871)
Ah-hah! Loophole!


The reason for killing the carp is NOT "simply because the experiment is over and you have no further use for the animal".
It's because they are noxious pests.
Argue that to the ethics committee.


Dazza says that while the option is definitely logical and would be put before the committee, it's unlikely to to work because the bottom line is the fact that the experiment has brought about the death of the animal.

ZenGum 11-24-2007 06:03 AM

Silly me, trying to use logic to deal with a bureaucracy. :headshake

Aliantha 11-24-2007 06:09 AM

I know. I have to tell myself the same thing when D brings home these problems for me to think about.

regular.joe 11-25-2007 05:08 PM

Killing the carp is not part of the experiment, right? What's the problem?

Aliantha 11-25-2007 05:18 PM

The problem is, you can't put them back in the river because they're a noxious pest.

richlevy 11-25-2007 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 409753)
It still counts as death. Carp taste like crap in general too, although some people seem to think they can make them taste good. My opinion is that making them taste good generally means you totally hide the flavour of the fish with other strong flavours.

Carp is a main ingredient in Eastern European Jewish cooking. Most gefilte fish, is made from carp (other freshwater fishes have been used).

She should check with a food bank. As long as they were alive when handed off there shouldn't be an issue. Is she sure that the 'alive' rule applies to 'pests'? If she were studying tapeworms, would she have to find new hosts for them?

Besides, almost any fish tastes good battered and fried. Fish and chips, anyone?

Seriously, one way of managing a 'pest' is to find an economical way to exploit it. Finding ways to make carp an attractive food source might allow the public to solve the problem. An eatable fish with no fishing limits? Mankind has a tendency to overfish fish that are edible.

Aliantha 11-25-2007 07:38 PM

Yep, it applies even to pests apparently. Hence the need to think of ways around the rule. I suppose the answer to the tapeworm question would have to be yes.

There's a restaraunt in SA that 'specializes' in making carp taste good. It's not high on my list of places to eat. Aside from the taste being in my mind very unpleasant, the texture is also pretty yuck.

I had look at that link too. It hasn't improved my desire to eat carp. ;)

ZenGum 11-25-2007 10:19 PM

I've got it!
Build a giant wooden ship with about five decks. Fill each deck with nice fish tanks, put the carp in, and set it adrift out at sea.
I'm sure uni admin would approve of a multi-story carp ark ....

Clodfobble 11-26-2007 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha
There's a restaraunt in SA that 'specializes' in making carp taste good.

Why not call them?

Aliantha 11-26-2007 01:22 AM

I'm not sure that it'd be ok to give the fish to a restaraunt. It'd be pretty hard to argue that you didn't think they'd kill them. lol

classicman 11-26-2007 06:59 PM

Sell them on e-bay

Aliantha 11-26-2007 07:01 PM

Mmmmmm...stinky fish...Mmmmmm...

zippyt 11-26-2007 07:03 PM

Adopt -a-Carp !!!!


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