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Originally Posted by tw (Post 407542)

Exact same reasoning proved ...that it was safe to launch seven Challenger astronaut to their murder.

Damm you are a conspiracy theorist.:eek:

Challenger engineer Boisjoly tells story behind disaster at lecture series finale

Roger Boisjoly

Roger M. Boisjoly

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... Dr. Feynman was, in my opinion, the most personally and professionally objective member and I might add the ONLY fearless member concerning potential career damage. As a result, he was told not to talk to engineers like me but that did not deter him from finding out the truth.

Morton Thiokol's Organization

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They convinced [Bod Lund] of the danger and secured his decision to recommend against flying. However, in the teleconference, under pressure from NASA and from Morton Thiokol management, he reversed himself and voted to fly.

From the NY Times of 28 Jan 1988: Engineer to Get Award For Warning on Shuttle

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An engineer who warned that it was dangerous to launch the space shuttle Challenger in cold weather only hours before the craft exploded has been named a winner of the Scientific Freedom and Responsibility Award from the American Association for the Advancement of Science. ... His findings prompted Thiokol officials to recommend that the launching be delayed until the rockets warmed to 53 degrees. ... Thiokol management reversed itself after NASA objected, ... Hours later, the Challenger blew up.

TheMercenary still routinely denies reality. It is called involuntary manslaughter - a total disregard for human life. It was only an accident where people remain in denial.

No, it is risk benifit ratio. It is decisions not make in a box by one person. It is various individuals who cried wolf in a case where they turned out to be right. There is not a single event of the magnitude of launching a shuttle to building a skyscraper to invading Iraq that does not have views which vary from the majority. None of that implies that there was some grand conspiracy, well except for those who want to believe there is. You obviously think otherwise.

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 408146)

Oh. So its fixed. I did not understand that part.

Not quite, it is still in the shop sort of speak.

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Damm you are a conspiracy theorist

Well if your not part of the solution your part of the conspiracy.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 408975)

No, it is risk benifit ratio. It is decisions not make in a box by one person.

A "risk benifit ratio" exists only where one has no basic knowledge. Meanwhile, while at a launch site, engineers who don't even work on the Shuttle were telling me of hundreds of problems (just a serious) that were also ignored. Roger's commission later listed many of those masisve problems - completely unacceptable - that engineers well understood - and were ignored.

After a murder of seven Challenger astronauts, the Roger's Commission listed 200 problems so major - so far beyond any "risk benifit ratio" - that the Space Shuttle could not fly again until all 200 were fixed; without exception. Many were the same problems noted by my engineering peers - who did not even work on the Shuttle.

"Risk benifit ratio". TheMercenary claims this number exists but does not provide the number? No numbers? Then he must be lying. Even engineers I worked with who did not work on the Shuttle knew it was worse than bad - well beyond any "risk benifit ratio". They were all that adament. "Mission Accomplished" also was justified using the same mythical "risk benifit ratio" reasoning.

The solution was easy. Air temperature had to increase so that the O rings would stay sealed - not fail as they almost did exactly same way one year earlier. But then a Shuttle and seven souls are completely expendible according the TheMercenary who has a 'risk benifit ratio'. Oh. TheMercenary did not know of that other near disaster - and he is still an expert? He says only he has the number. We cannot be trusted with the number.

TheMercenary demonstrates why people can get away with murder. An invented "risk benifit ratio" meant there was zero risk to those performing the murder. Notice what the number really measures. 'Risk benifit ratio' to the murders was in their favor. Screw the astronauts. Classic MBA thinking were only the "I" is important.