Thats mighty big of you Merc - I'm proud of you. See Ibby, you are already making the world a kinder gentler place.

That's awesome, Merc.

Thanks, merc. I still hate you - but for that comment there, I can't help but respect you all the more.


I think flint's got at least one aspect of the matter there - I hate all the masculine stereotypes, and i hate what I'm expected to be for being a dude. That's not all of the problem, but that's a large part of it, I think.

I think the biggest thing is that i simply don't identify as male, plain and simple.

There's nothing wrong with that; just identify as yourself.

More likely you don't identify with what you see as male stereotype. Maybe it's your perception of what male is, that's askew.
Hating your father and not wanting to be like him does not mean rejecting male. Not all males are like him. There is no quintessential, to everyone, male.

Ok fuck the rest of you... this is between Ibram and me...

Again, I am sorry for anything I said that night. I had to much to drink and I was fucked up and should not have said what I said. I regret it. I still think you have much to learn because you are a teen and have no world experience. But let's not go there now. Again, good luck and I hope you figure it out.

I have family members who are gay and bi. I have no ill feelings toward them. I have no ill feelings toward you and never have had bad feelings toward you because you are who you are sexually. Let's drop the differences we have concerning parenting and sexuality and agree to disagree on political issues. I accpet the fact that you have your views based on your world experience, you must accept the fact that I have my views based on my world experience. I will not personally fuck with you, but I will fuck with your positions on issues, and you can do the same. Lets call it a truce and not fuck with each other on a personal level, only on our divergent views and experience of the world.

What do you say?

The problem is that you are still surrounded by people who can't do anything but stereotypes, Ibram. You may notice a general sense of confusion here over these "masculine stereotypes" you keep mentioning, and this is because they just don't exist in the real world. They only seem like they're everywhere because you're surrounded by idiots. Just hang in there until you get to college. Trust me, it will get better so fast your head will spin.

Well said Merc !!

Totally agreed.

Though I was really just being snarky, not angry or vengeful, putting those quotes in there. You've shaped up, big-time. I still do hate you, but I don't hold a vendetta against you just for that comment (well, string of comments). If thats the worst thing anybody says to me over my sexuality I think I come out pretty much ahead. I don't like you, but I can totally live with you, now. Now you're just an old conservative fogey who I don't agree with on most issues... rather than a total fucking bastard who's more of a troll than a valid poster.

You aren't half bad, now. I can live with a truce.

Spoken like a true teen - very good Ibby and Merc -
next is UG & tw

Hate is a pretty powerful word. Disagree would be more appropriate IMHO. People kill due to hate. They oppress. They hang. They burn. They stab. They shoot. They draw and quarter. They rape. They inprison. They detain. They decapitate.

I have never done such things. How about we just disagree?

I toss about the word hate altogether too much, maybe. I hate a lot of things - but not like, utterly LOATHE, just dislike. Hate is a much more colourful word, and if there's anything I like in language, it's colour.

Nothing personal, merc. You're now at the level at which I hate Dan Quale, Adult Contemporary, or Kevin Bacon... not the level at which I hate George Bush, Emo, or Leo DiCaprio.
Don't worry, when I say I hate you, I mean it in the nicest possible way.

Nameste. I shall move on from here.

I don't hate you Merc. ;) Feel better now?

I posted this because I had to tell lj that he's funny today too.

I figured I might as well get all those types of things out at once.

Sorry for messing with your thread Ib. I just sort of figured most of the good advice has already been given and I don't have anything much worthwhile to add. Only that I reckon you're just fairly typical of people your age with regard to figuring out who you are. You'll get it straight sooner or later. If you don't, the world's going to kick your arse. Hmmm...probably the sooner the better in that case. ;)