They didn't fire on Ft Sumter to protect slavery. The majority of the northern politicians were moderates that wanted to see the spread of slavery stemmed, but were willing to accept a 50/50 split on new states. The handful of abolitionists didn't have the power to put an end to slavery in all the new states, let alone the south.

Slavery wasn't a prime cause for the civil war? Ay chihauhau. That in itself should be a new thread, and it probably already has been.

Also zippy it's just my opinion to ban the flag, that's all. I didn't mean to get anyone riled up.
edit: better yet, I didn't intend to get anyone riled up. But like Bruce said, everyone's offended by something. In my case its the confederate flag and I would like to see it banned. In zippy's case it's my opinion on the confederate flag being banned.

I personally don't want to ban the flag even though I don't agree with the heavy use it has today. It is not a government's job to ban symbols.

This thread took a wrong turn somewhere. I thought it was about some girl with nice, muddy tits.

We'd better be careful here. We don't want the government to ban those, either.

Just trying to get the coverings off those nice muddy tits.

"Oh hey, you got a little something between you're teeth there. Looks like a wee stone."

Biker rallies, civil war re-enactments, parades, the only time I've EVER witnessed violence regarding 'the confederate flag' is when someone was trying to keep someone else from flying/displaying it. Never once have I heard/witnessed/heard about someone saying "Yee haw, we got us a confedert flag, let's us have a lynchin'." (Don't let my sarcasm drip on you) :crazy:

Just an observation .....

The attitude from anyone.... "I don't like it, therefore it should be banned".... is just another example of why our overly political correct country is going to hell in a hurry. Just who the hell are you to determine what should be banned? Your imaginary personal feelings are more important than the history of our country?

The Confederate Flag ~
Over time the flag has acquired a wide range of meanings, some apparently contradicting others. Since the C.S.A. were fighting for independence during the American Civil War, much as the United States did during the U.S. War of Independence, the Confederate flag has always had connotations of rebellion, patriotism, self-determination, dissent, freedom, and liberty.

The flag traditionally represented the South's resistance to Northern political dominance.

It only became racially charged during the Civil Rights Movement, when fighting against desegregation suddenly became the focal point of that resistance.

These same people want to ban books they don't like, movies, music et cetera...The world should only be as they see it in their narrow minded, perfectly controlled world.

Michael Yon today

Since this thread took a wrong turn somewhere anyway, lets quit beating around the bush and spit out that wee stone.

In the beginning someone said “ban”, “Germany” and “opinion” in one sentence, the contradictory word they forgot to use was “free”. Being so we look forward not backward. The Stars and Bars was the official Confederate flag and it doesn’t mean anything more or less. Now it is a banner and it or the “rebel” battle flag can wave wherever it’s wanted, just not as high as our counties flag. Unless of course you show it disrespect, and we have a history of killing people who disrespect our flag.

We are an inherently free people, all people; and someday we will be that way, an inch at a time. No government, King or legislature gave us that freedom, and we didn’t win it in the Revolution. It is “self-evident” that we are “endowed” by the “laws of nature” as inherently free.

The Civil War was about principals, and the power to control them. The agricultural South was slowly dieing and loosing power, states, votes, electoral votes. The North, politically divided, still elected Lincoln over the South. Most Southern States could not muster enough individual votes to secede, but politically overrode the popular vote with their legislature. Kentucky and Maryland, although Southern could not muster enough support to secede. Much of Tennessee and other “Southern states” were lost because there just wasn’t enough rebellious support to hold on. Slavery was just an outside issue that turned on political control. Yes it was “states rights”, as opposed to “individual rights”, and our Constitution did give our Government the right to preserve those individual rights from all comers, including states.

Call it hat you will, slavery was part of that desire to have control over others, that is slowly lost it’s grip on humanity, again an inch at a time. To “ban” this or that is another effort to control others.

So then which is most important, individual rights or a minorities feelings?, even a Majorities feelings?

You know my vote.

Speaking of minorities, I’m a Nordic WASP, damn small minority these days, few and far between, but do you hear me complain? That’s not “white” cause I’m not white, and it’s not Caucasian, cause my genetic chain has never been anywhere near Caucasia.

Mostly I just want to be belly up at the bottom of that mud hole.

Next book please? :dead3:

This is a very interesting thread. I am curious, how many in this discussion are native southerners?

I do realize the discussion is more about history and freedom, but I am am just curious.

I don't think vBulletin has a filter to keep them out.

American by birth ,
Southern by the grace of GOD !!!

You know what they say FNC ,
"Opinions are like Assholes ,
Everybody has one and they ALL STINK !!!"

Think I'll just keep my :2cents: to myself. Thank you