Well, that would amount to Q.E.D.

I am not persuaded Al Gore's values would be aimed at keeping the Republic, and I hold similar views of his party's values, which is why I don't vote for Democrats.

I think the Republic dodged a bullet when Gore lost. I thought it then, and I think so now. We have a war to win, one that would have come regardless of which party was in the White House, and started by others as has been the case for the past hundred years, and the Democrats simply don't know how. Until the Democrats can show me they can win the war better than the Republicans can, they have nothing I'm interested in. Successful war is successful foreign policy, questions of its disadvantages and wastefulness aside.

Why do you listen to WXYZ?

Because they play all the best music!!

How do you know it's the best music?

Because that's the music they play on WXYZ!!

How do you know that right-of-center sources are the most accurate UG?

Edit- UT asked in a better way than me.

Same person who would accuse Pierce of being stupid could not even read simple military political concepts in Thomas Barnett's book. And then he discovered Barnett discusses how to, for example, secure oil by doing NOT what George Jr, wacko extremists, and UG recommend. Suddenly UG could not read that book? Or are simple concepts that contradict his poltical agenda too toxic? Either way, UG is the last person to know who is stupid.

UG - you do yourself a big favor by not judging others as stupid. Your intellectual standing is not sufficient to make such judgements. You began here by knowing why the Vietnam war was lost But you never even read the Pentagon Papers. You have a bad habit of 'knowing' without first 'learning'. Therefore you are the last person able to judge who is stupid.

Good luck brother. Others have tried and failed.

Don't be any too sure of that, V -- tw is living in a fool's paradise. He can't stand that I can wipe the floor with him on matters of politics and history each and every single time I choose to. While I doubt I could manage so well on the topic of the electrical engineering of power sources -- someone finally mentioned this was tw's engineering specialty, and it wasn't tw, who perhaps could have tooted his own horn -- on history and on politics, I am the more skilled. I am also a far more emotionally mature man, not given to his sort of ranting and screeching in the crudest, most ill-founded attempt at clawing after some advantage I'm likely to see this decade. It is ill-founded because to date I have said absolutely nothing on Barnett's work beyond the bare mention that I am reading it with great interest -- and tw, in a complete absence of evidence and an access of dare I say fevered imaginings, is the one claiming as loudly as he can that I do not understand Barnett's book.

One is rather put in mind of an angry chimpanzee.

Barnett does calculate that military action has its place in the kind of foreign policy endeavors he lays out.

Tw, you are not a sage, and as long as you are constituted as you are, unable to form an adult relationship (a hint: adults do not sound like tw), and unable to learn history other than as may be taught by the Gosudarstvennyi Universitet Moskvy, you never shall be.

That's an extremely personal insult Urbane. That sort of thing makes your arguments a lot harder to take seriously.

@ dana...that quote you quoted is quite ironic if you think about it.

It dosn't make sense. It's like empaling oneself on on ones own sword.

UG - you even miss the simplest of points. You are criticized for attacking a person - calling him stupid - rather than addressing the topic. You don't even understand that basic point. You insult people as proof of superiority and righteousness. That tactic is common among extremists. It just does not play well in The Cellar.

You don't even understand you are being criticized for doing it. Calling Pierce stupid to prove your point? How is that logical?

Why do I listen to WXYZ, Because they play the music I like!!!
Nobody need to tell me what I like I all ready know what i like.
Their was a lot of wailing when Al Gore lost after 9/11 all that stopped.
There was lots of speculating going on. I shuffled that off with the conspiracy theorists the ignore file if you will, I will make up my own mind.

The truth hurts.:)

And the truth about his personality hurts tw beyond all endurance, as far as I can see. When a guy is really a four-letter man, it behooves the rest of us to know that. When a guy is as willing to think in delusion as tw is, it behooves us to know that. When a guy is simply incapable of behaving in any manner but to induce disgust at his antidemocracy sympathies -- for he has none visible for democracy and too much for something other -- then disgust is the only right thing to feel.

Tw's entire personality or onscreen persona (given the way he goes at things I do not believe they are separate) is designed to repulse the free, adult human being. In repulsion, he succeeds. That this... presence should anger me hardly constitutes a deficiency on my part. The man's a walking shame.

And you, you walking shame, cannot gainsay me. You remain forever without political acumen or people skills, which are in some degree the same thing. Nor will you understand that the stupid people are the kind of people least likely to agree with me, simply because they can't get it -- and thus the mediocre ones rise in that confederacy of dunces. Hardly a shock, but yes, it's an annoyance. So they get out-thought and out-punched; I can manhandle schmucks head-down into the dumpster of garbage ideas where they belong.

Why don't you just ignore him UG?

Because David Hume and I are in close agreement here. I too want to "thunder them, and crush them, and pound them, and reduce them to dust and ashes." -- D. Hume, in a letter dated 10 July 1769, to Abbe Andre Morellet.

The man is a communist and an undemocrat -- the degree of inhumanity required to be these things is unforgiveable. I do not avoid conflict with such animals in human form.

"I will not cease from mental fight
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand..."

This is what I'm on Earth to do -- annihilate undemocracy, and emasculate, make sterile, its practitioners. Fellow-traveling sympathizers get a like treatment, until their agony at picking the road to oppression becomes insupportable.

UG...it's the internet mate. lol