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rkzenrage 04-27-2007 02:22 PM

BushCo. wants to be fascist, but are held in check, for the most part.
Europe and, especially the UK are actually limiting free speech, freedom of the press and putting cameras on every corner.
You tell me who the true fascists are.

xoxoxoBruce 04-27-2007 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 338209)
You are being wry here, right? Sorry if my wrymeter needs calibrating...

Yes, wry with lots of poop-on mustard. Did I make you feel bad for poor persecuted UG?

Happy Monkey 05-03-2007 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 337202)
No dictator, no fascism.

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Originally Posted by HARVEY C. MANSFIELD
Though I want to defend the strong executive, I mainly intend to step back from that defense to show why the debate between the strong executive and its adversary, the rule of law, is necessary, good and--under the Constitution--never-ending.
In other circumstances I could see myself defending the rule of law.

But not these circumstances, apparently.

Undertoad 05-03-2007 06:13 PM

I'm sure we'll see the exact opposite opinion from the Opinion Journal during the Barack Presidency.

Happy Monkey 05-03-2007 06:19 PM

I'd hope to see the exact opposite position always.

I never thought I'd see a major newspaper editorial, even an ultraconservative one, explicitly in opposition to the rule of law.

Undertoad 05-03-2007 07:12 PM

You were in favor of Clinton's full prosecution for perjury?

Happy Monkey 05-03-2007 07:24 PM

I was against the idea that he was asked about BS like that in the first place. I was against the method and style by which they prosecuted the perjury charge. I make no excuses for Clinton's behavior, however, and have no problem with the idea of a president being prosecuted for perjury.

rkzenrage 05-06-2007 02:42 AM

Look at every city in the US where gun control is in effect.
They are putting-up cameras, Big Brother/UK/Fascist-Commie style.
Coincidence... impossible.

Put them in my town and someone will take a sniper rifle, set-up a cozy spot 1/4 mile away and have a party.
S-already been done with one of the red light cameras one town over.
A true American patriot.

duck_duck 05-09-2007 02:19 AM

Keeping an eye on american people is nothing new. You already have traffic cameras on your freeways and in every store or government building you enter. What is wrong with cameras watching other parts of the public? As long as it isn\'t in your house then where are your rights violated?

xoxoxoBruce 05-09-2007 04:19 AM

You'll never understand 2Duck, you obviously have the Oriental/Hong Kong mindset of ID cards, surveillance and government control of your life. That's probably why you were unhappy here.

piercehawkeye45 05-10-2007 05:05 PM

Have you read 1984 duck_duck?

If you haven't I would highly recommend it.

Urbane Guerrilla 05-11-2007 01:04 AM

Reading about it -- vicarious experience -- is not a substitute for actual experience, Ibbie. Too, what colors your perceptions is what you read, and frankly, from the sort of things you say, it looks to me like you're reading things that would do better spread in a flowerbed and well Roto-tillered in.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 337987)
You don't have to check under the bed at night . . . like UG does.

Last time I checked under the bed, I was looking for the cat. Don't seek to find fear in my thinking unless you truly love frustration served up with disappointment. That and becoming a laughingstock. Hard on the ego, all that.

I second the 1984 recommendation. While it's really a twentieth-century period piece now, its universal truths still hold and its lessons are still valuable.

DanaC 05-11-2007 05:15 AM

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You'll never understand 2Duck, you obviously have the Oriental/Hong Kong mindset of ID cards, surveillance and government control of your life. That's probably why you were unhappy here.
Yeah....'cause there's nobody watching you in America right? Nobody checking emails or listening in to phone calls?

xoxoxoBruce 05-11-2007 05:31 AM

That's right, nobody listening to my phone calls or reading my emails.

Griff 06-01-2007 07:56 AM

The tightening noose in Great Britain.

Merseyside police are using the "spy drone", fitted with CCTV cameras, mainly for tackling anti-social behaviour and public disorder.


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