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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

It can be turned up to kill... they are just saying that they are not going to use it that way. I call BS.

If it is BS, so what? If there's one thing the military has a lot of, it's ways to kill people. The only thing that makes this one different is it also has the possibility of being used with less than lethal force.

The problem is that they are lying to the press. They are stating that it is a non-lethal weapon, an outright lie.
This should NEVER be allowed to be used against Americans, in ANY form.
They are talking about it.

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

This should NEVER be allowed to be used against Americans, in ANY form.

So you are against the use of rubber bullets as a non-lethal weapon, since the guns that fire them could also in theory fire real bullets?

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 311296)

This should NEVER be allowed to be used against Americans, in ANY form.

This is sadly amusing. Why? Because the United States effectively can use chemical agents on its own citizens, but not others.

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...but as Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld acknowledged in Congressional testimony the other day, the use of riot-control agents and other substances designed to incapacitate people without causing death or lasting injury violates international law - specifically, the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention.

"In many instances, our forces are allowed to shoot somebody and kill them, but they're not allowed to use a nonlethal riot-control agent," Mr. Rumsfeld complained to lawmakers. Some find it ironic, if not incomprehensible, that under the Chemical Weapons Convention, civilian police forces may use chemicals to put down riots but military units may not fire them at enemy soldiers.

Maybe this is the non-chemical solution they've been looking for?

This whole thing would be a moot point if people would just do what they're told to do when they're told to do it.

Freedom. Hmpf. I'll let you know when you're free.

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 311298)

So you are against the use of rubber bullets as a non-lethal weapon, since the guns that fire them could also in theory fire real bullets?

That is a ridiculous attempt at a parrallel... not even close to the same thing.
It would be if the rubber could be turned to steel half-way to the target.
& no, they should not be used, people have been killed by rubber bullets. Non-lethal means NON-LETHAL.

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 310482)

Does it cause arcing in metal? Glasses, zippers, belts giving third degree burns, destruction of personal electronics like cell phones, hearing aids, pacemakers?

Odd, they didn't see any metal caused burns in testing. I wonder why?

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...volunteers played the part of rioters or intruders and the ADS was used to drive them away. The experimenters banned glasses and contact lenses to prevent possible eye damage to the subjects, and in the second and third tests removed any metallic objects such as coins and keys to stop hot spots being created on the skin. They also checked the volunteers' clothes for certain seams, buttons and zips which might also cause hot spots.

The lesson: if you want to protest/riot, make sure you have good uncorrected eyesight and dump the coins. Do this and you'll never be hurt by this weap-- err, crowd control device.

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One person suffered a burn in a previous test when the beam was accidentally used on the wrong power setting.

...unless someone bumps the knob by "accident".

Tin soldiers and heat rays comin'
We're finally on our own
This summer I hear the hummin'
Four fried in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are burnin' us down
Should have been done long ago
What would you do if you
Found her charred on the ground?
How will you run when you know?

BTW guys, I need to know the names of the orgs that protest the most. Organize the large scale protests in the US, like against the World Bank and the like. Please let me know if you do.
Got a lil' sum'in' sum'in' for em'.

I found a site that is a clearing-house for most of the protestable "issues"... I think I am ready to take the next step.
I really do.
I e-mailed them to contact me.
I believe that my invention will make this device unusable in the US, if they decide to try it on citizens.
Still have not completely decided... kinda' feel sick inside, not sure where it is coming from.
My nation run by traitors or really thinking about making this decision.

Whats the invention?