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Flint 11-09-2006 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Skunks
Good should not be in the business of doing wrong.

I agree, and I think the confusion starts when people define "good" and "evil' as groups of people instead of actions.

DanaC 11-09-2006 10:42 AM

Excellent point Flint.

Flint 11-09-2006 12:37 PM

Thank you. I find a similar confusion concerning the word "freedom" . . .

Urbane Guerrilla 11-09-2006 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint
By accidentally executing innocent people, what "lesson" do we "teach" Evil? Which side are we on, then?

And by, not accidentally at all, executing the guilty ones, what lesson do we teach?

Understand that we are still on the side of right even when we make mistakes. Errors are to be regretted, but don't ask us to go paralytic. Evil's too tough for us to let up on it.

If there's one thing I cannot in conscience ask for, it's the kind of divine perfection you seem to want. This is a human endeavor.

Urbane Guerrilla 11-09-2006 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage
If you murder a murderer it just makes you one too and nothing else, same goes for sanctioning it.
It cannot be self-defense if they are strapped to a chair or table.
The point is to be better than the guilty.

Rkzen, here your thinking is all wrong. You are misusing the term "murder," and thus setting up a total falsity. The difference between a rightful killing and a wrongful killing has been recognized at least since the Bronze Age. Rkzen, that is an awfully long distance to be behind the curve. Someone who cannot distinguish a rightful killing from a wrongful one is not an enlightened person by any measure, no matter how much he may hope otherwise.

Execution is self defense, extended to the whole of society, at least in the following of just and proper laws. A sign of good government such as ours is that execution is not over-used, in the fashion of the non-democracies. Non-democracies' overuse of death sentences is enough to give the entire thing a bad name, true -- but this should not delegitimize anyone else's efforts at damage control. In the end, that's what an execution is -- it's damage control.

Bad people try to undermine social self-defense. Good people understand it and uphold it.

DanaC 11-11-2006 07:53 AM

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Bad people try to undermine social self-defense. Good people understand it and uphold it.
Murderers are bad mmmkay.

xoxoxoBruce 11-11-2006 11:45 AM

Would it be "right and just" to prosecute and punish a frenchman in English. No, justice should be in the language the defendant understands.

Executing violent criminals is justice in their language. Appropriate response is the true high road. :behead:

Flint 11-11-2006 04:59 PM

And accidentally executing a few innocents is the language of: ???

Saddam Hussein 11-11-2006 05:18 PM

The only swinging Saddam has in his future is on a swingset.....shooting a rifle into the air laughing. :)

xoxoxoBruce 11-12-2006 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint
And accidentally executing a few innocents is the language of: ???

There are no innocents over 2 years old. :cool:

DanaC 11-12-2006 12:53 PM

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There are no innocents over 2 years old.
Oh well, as long as they're guilty of something.

Flint 11-12-2006 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla
Good should not be in the business of quitting the contest at some self-imposed point.

"And remember: Evil will always prevail, because Good is dumb."

JayMcGee 11-12-2006 08:39 PM

if it's wrong to kill, then it's wrong to kill.





(checks the ten commandments for the small print)

xoxoxoBruce 11-12-2006 10:51 PM

The ten commandments were a covenant with the Jews. I'm not Jewish.:p

Urbane Guerrilla 11-14-2006 12:22 AM

The Commandment proscribes wrongful killing, Jay. Even people who aren't Bible scholars know about that.


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