Voted "person you would least like to be stuck on a deserted island with, or even Disneyland for that matter."

Because your parents lied to you. Oh, you'll be successful, maybe even rich.....but you'll miss the fun. ;)

My parents lied to me about what exactly? I think that employers have the right to moniter ALL activity at all times on all company owned computers and make any judgements they want about how employees can use them.

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bbro, so you regularly spend hours at work doing nothing productive then? Working 60% for your 100% salary there? If you regularly find yourself with no work to do then that's a pretty bad sign, take some initiative man.

I am in my sophmore year at university, however, I'm putting in more hours a week than 90% of full time workers. I have 25 hours of actual class per week and I have about 15-20 hours of assignments and studying on top of that. I also work 4-5 hours a week at UPMC (google it) in the Renal-Electrolyte department on a clinical study on the cognition of patients in end stage renal failure. By the time I 'get out in the workplace' I'll be almost 30 (two more years of undergrad then I'm applying to a 6 year M.D/Ph.D program here). Don't patronize me.

Oh, and Shawnee, the feeling is mutual

'9th, you been in the real world job market yet or are you just at school still?'


When I was in university I had 35 hours of classes per week, then studied until the early hours every night (and weekends). That IS the real world for university and med students in heavy programs. Summer jobs, where I just turned up for 37 to 40 hours per week in an office with nights and weekends to myself, were my vacation.

The 'real world' comprises more than just office jobs. Dogging it and ripping off your employer by surfing the 'net on company time may be less 'real' than what many people do.

The 'real world' is comprised of more than just work, too. In the 'real world,' the young and pompous get patronized regularly. Might as well get used to it now, and learn to roll with it.

Google, the most progressive and fastest-growing company in the world, insists that its top people spend 20% of their time on personal projects unrelated to their main work. Google doesn't care much if the projects actually result in anything, although Google News grew out of that approach.

There are several reasons for it. One is that employment is dehumanizing if it's treated like indentured servitude during the "work hours". The 20% allows people to work on what they love, not what their employers love. It also allows Googlers to say no to their managers on any particular day, for no particular reason.

As an employee you have less and less impact on your own life because jobs require you to be who you're not unless you're very lucky.

In student work you are spending time improving yourself. In real world work, you are spending your time improving your employer... maybe. And you yourself, and your work, may be flushed down the drain at any moment, for almost any reason, logical or not. Usually political.

The 20% personal project time at Google, I'm betting, is not supposed to be spent surfing message boards. I would expect the company wants to know what people are doing, even if the projects don't result in anything that benefits Google.

I spent years working in 'indentured servitude' jobs where my work hours were both boring and fully supervised. It was a straightforward contract: my employer needed certain jobs done, and I needed the money. Fair trade. My life, after 5 pm, was my own. I gave value for money during the day. I didn't consider it my right to rip off my employer because I found the job boring.

I don't believe 'luck' has anything to do with being in a job that allows you to 'be who you are'. In fact, I don't think any such job exists. Even when you run your own business, you have thousands of bosses - the customers. They dictate 'who you are' while on the job.

Why consider working to be dehumanizing? We all have to do it. We're all human.

A poor girl want to marry ,
A rich girl wants to flirt ,
A rich man goes to collage ,
A poor man goes to work !!


Sorry but I have to take issue with this , " folks surfing should get canned "
I work generly a 70+ hour week , starting early and finising late ,5-6-and some times 7 days a week , and I meen WORK , hard heavy work ( I am a scale tech ) , and I have to be able to switch from swinging a sledge hammer and directing a crew and a crane to programming a batching system and makeing the suites and ties happy , Some times I get to surf when I am waiting ( for hours some time ) for a train to pull some cars for me to calabrate or check a scale , Hell I have waited for 3 days for a crane once , some times I come here to break the mennotiney of the day , other times I am looking for some thing to solve a problem ( find some weird ass widget that will go BING when the button is pushed ) . I work hard and I play hard , Yes I EARN EVERY FUCKING DOLLOR I MAKE , AHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!

You Fucking Rich KIDS !!!
NO FUCKING SENCE !!!
NO REAL WORLD EXPERENCE !!!
Think you KNOW IT FUCKING ALLL !!!!
AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sorry , just had to get that off my cheast .

:haha::biglaugha:lol2:Oh please, surely you jest. Indentured servitude? What do you think you are there to do? You provide a service for which your employer compensates you with a salary. So you find work you don't find personally satisfying 'dehumanizing'? Wake up, grab a cup of coffee, and shake the flowers from your hair man. If you wanted to do work that you found fufilling then you should have gotten the skills to do it while in college.

The Google bit is so completely non relevant to posting on message boards in the day that I'm not even going to address it. Your comment on luck however should be clarified. Saying that successful people who like what they do are there because of 'luck' is nothing more than an attempt to remove responsibility from yourself, those people are there because they worked hard and have been living according to their goals since before highschool in some cases.


I'll judge who can get away with patronizing me. You can try to blow me off as pompous, but I don't assume ability goes hand in hand with age. Since I don't have to worry about your opinion of me holding my career back I'm free to call bs where I see it.

Wealth is not an issue anymore with attending college, that's rediculous. It can affect where you go to college, but there are also loans and scholorships to pick up the slack. Student loans are very well regulated and easy debt to carry, I know plenty of friends from highschool are paying for most of college with loans and summer work with very limited help from parents.

I was a poor girl who went to college without a single PENNY from my parents and got more 'real world experience' in that time than you have likely had in your entire union-protected life. You say you have hours and sometimes DAYS without anything to do on the job - and you consider that 'hard work'? Try keeping up with an ER nurse for a single shift. He/she doesn't get hours off to surf, he/she gets neither lunch nor dinner on a 12 hour shift when the ambulances keep rolling in. And if you're going to say, he/she chose the job, so did you. Quit raging at your convenient scapegoat. If you don't like your life, learn another skill, broaden your options, do something about it. If you really like your situation, lose the chip on the shoulder.

Guess what, I did.

You can take a course on management theory if you don't agree with what I'm saying. You might want to look up Theory X versus Theory Y management styles for a start. Understanding these very important principles made me a successful manager for a while.

By the way, you'll remember my words in about a decade when you realize that being smart and going to a good college entitles you to exactly

JACK SHIT

To get a sense of how this works, you might talk to all the highly-trained, highly-respected, and utterly unemployable nuclear engineers that graduated 25 years ago.

Yes, they do have the right to do those things. But what you will find is they don't have the desire to. See, when you are in college, especially higher degree programs, you are surrounded by people who are motivated and intelligent, and you begin to think this is the norm. If one person isn't giving it their all, just fire them and hire another. But in the real world, truly useful and talented employees are rare, and it is more than worth it to an employer to keep them happy with perks--such as an unrestrictive internet policy.

in the real world, truly useful and talented employees are rare, and it is more than worth it to an employer to keep them happy with perks--such as an unrestrictive internet policy.


EXACTAMUNDO !!!

Folks that Will answer the phone at 2 AM on a saterday , pack up and leave for a job accross the country at a moments notice , and actualy be trust worthy , so you DON'T have to worry about them Fucking up ,etc,,,,
When some body like this needs a few hours to deal with his wifes car , because it is dead , well you learn to be flexable , if they are waiting for a call back from an engineer and they are surfing , WHAT is WRONG with this ????