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Well done !
In order to really agree :
Do you remember my questions in #340 ?

Sort of. I remember reading the radio interview, which had an ex-army colonel talking about coups d'etat and other Art Bell-type nonsense. One of those "we have an expert who knows a bunch of secret stuff that no one else is covering, but we are presenting it LIVE!!! on our midnight radio show".

Then you asked, "what if it had happened in France?" And I refuse to answer, because to do so would Godwin the thread. :angel:

Too nice ! :)

but sooooooo easy :(

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

In Iraq most attacks are on other Arab Muslims, so who is being recruited for what now?

No answer HM?

It's important for us to get the narrative right. We aren't getting it from anywhere else so we have to depend on each other. This morning Belmont Club looks at Michael Yon's latest dispatch and points out bin Laden's response to Somalia. What gave him strength was American withdrawl:

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But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where -- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order -- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu.

Yon's latest also includes the point that one of the terrorists that the soldiers are fighting was previously captured, spent time at Abu Ghraib, was released against protest and returned to fight. He didn't have to be recruited. He was a bad guy and remained a bad guy after thinking about it in prison.

Regular Yon readers will know... Abu Ghraib is like a vacation, six months in air conditioning with three squares. It's important for us to get the narrative right. We aren't getting it from anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

No answer HM?

They subscribe to the same mentality that mrnoodle is championing. They see some other Muslims as assisting the enemy and say screw 'em. Or they figure it's just too bad if some innocents happened to be near the American targets.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

This morning Belmont Club looks at Michael Yon's latest dispatch and points out bin Laden's response to Somalia. What gave him strength was American withdrawl

What gave him strength is that America went into Somalia without any smoking gun. Insufficient reason to be there and no comprehension of WHY we entered are why the withdrawal was necessary AND why bin Laden would have been emboldened.

You would think we would have learned from Somalia about the dangers of invading a nation without a smoking gun. And yet even in the Cellar, some advocated the same mistake in Iraq using mythical reasons such as WMDs. And so bin Laden is laughing at America - emboldened by the extremist rhetoric that protected bin Laden. Some Americans were even so foolish as to think our own allies (Germany and France) were against us rather than first learn the lessons of Somalia and what those allies were warning about.

Bin Laden still runs free because too many Americans here forget where the smoking gun exists ... Afghanistan. So instead we blame Saddam for 11 September and run off to another Vietnam. Then when it becomes a quagmire, we then blame it on Somalia? Where does this extremist rhetoric come from?

Where does it come from? You invent it through your miserable reading comprehension skills.