That's true, but the ATF knows better, and if they were honest they wouldn't make that mistake. Same for the cops. Of course politicians, and assholes that purport know what's best for you, will lie through their teeth anyway.

Same goes as with every arrest of someone with an SKS, which even the cops call AK-47's, which they are not. But that really is another discussion.

Nothing can be changed until first we clamp the border shut tight, ala Berlin wall, at least for a temp period as we fix our immigration policy. Once that happens we can open the borders again, slowly and in a controlled fashion, as we id all those who are current illegal immigrants. The key is a comprehensive reform. But if we don't control the borders first the rest of the efforts will be futile.

Mexico is in a death spiral.

Obama will be here tomorrow marking the return of soldiers to Ft. Bliss. (and if you don't know, El Paso will be getting/has been getting a gigantic influx of soldiers to be permanently stationed here. Convenient, eh?)

Should be interesting to see if he refers to the border troubles.

Huh? That seems... unlikely.

His statement is basically something I've said dozens of times in the cellar.

I think there is actually a lot of agreement on the issue but people emphasize the parts that appeal to them. If only you could get everything into an omnibus package, because piecemeal probably won't get it done.

Well hey, we've already got financial reform and healthcare through (and even the biggest detractors have to admit, hate the legislation or love it, it got through which is a hell of a lot more than anyone else has accomplished on any major issue.) I bet they're just waiting until after the 2010 elections, then immigration reform will be next on the list. Or maybe they'll even push it beforehand to regain Democratic support, emphasizing the parts that appeal to the people who are ticked off at them. But I'd lay money on a very serious federal effort at immigration policy reform before Obama's first term is up.

I think it will only happen if the democrats hold on to both the senate and house. If not, there will be gridlock and nothing will happen on anything.

I vote for gridlock over what we currently have.

Actually I don't support gridlock, but I also can't support the "Rham it through" method that Pelosi and Reid have used. To many failed programs have already been passed.

You're right. It's funny in a sickening way. The Democrats will present immigration reform and the party who is screaming it for it will block it because it's initiated by the other side.:greenface

Frightening read.

It's very scary and very sad. I recently saw a tv ad for Mexican tourism. I'm thinking --not!

tomorrow is Mexico's bicentennial, and they are calling off most of the celebrations for fear of civilian casualties.

I agree Cloud, I have family members who have gone to Mexico every year for their vacations because of the cost, but no more, they are all going somewhere else for the for seeable future.

This is just bizarre. People are literally being slaughtered indiscriminately in the streets and in their homes, just a stone's throw away:

http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_16670537