honest?

Honest injun, chief!

Oh, my. That's the funniest thing I've seen posted here yet!

This thread was intended to fix a problem. A portion of us still believe there's still a problem. You want to pick fights as diversion, in this thread,and continue to develop the problem on the politics threads at the same very time!

Come on! You are caught in the very act.

Reverting to the typical name calling and insults is not going to help. I am not requesting moderation.
Moderation of the threads is not the only solution.

Discord. For 500 dollars? Pat? :)

:D

Redux, you can try to twist it around as much as you like, but it's just more of the same shit you do in political debate, and it's the reason why people get frustrated with you.

It comes down to something like what clodfobble said. If you acted like you would if you were really interacting with a group of friends, you'd be fine. You clearly have no interest in doing that.

If you can't tell when I'm being funny, and just tugging on your chain (when i said that you should admit that you're an argumentative little bitch I was doing this) and when I'm seriously telling you about yourself (I'm doing this now) then you're bound have issues here.

I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to help you get this. You've been told before by other people, and I have the sense that you are resistant to introspection. You're much more likely to blame me for starting this and picking on you, and then to justify your responses by saying that you're just giving what you get. The point is that ....well, the point is this whole thread....

This thread is admittedly disruptive, as I said in the original post, but your claim that I'm the biggest disruption to the cellar in general is laughable. Either you get the fucking message here, or you don't. Griping at me, and how mean spirited I am and all that shit is just deflection and obfuscation, and it doesn't change the fact that you are a BIG part of the problem.

It seems to me at this point that you intend to continue blithely as you've been doing. I think that sucks.

Hey Cicero

I respectfully disagree.

I think the *ONLY* solution is moderation. Specifically, self-moderation. Nothing else will work, without dramatically changing the cellar. There have been a few calls for this, there have been a few examples of this. It does have some problems though. You only know it's been working after it stops working. It's hard. It's invisible. It is often unsatisfying. It is useless as a tool of persuasion. It works poorly when only some people in the room do it and others don't. It is anathema to an extremely popular kind of post: "You're (doing it) wrong!".

I will say for myself that I exercise self-moderation, but I sometimes fail. This isn't a reason to stop though. The "how" of self-moderation can take several forms. Ignoring known sources of inflammation works for me. Composing replies offline. Compassion and respect for others helps me be better at self-moderation. Selective deafness. Giving the benefit of the doubt.

It is hard though. And I can not think of any other ideas that come close to a solution.

Some like what I contribute and some dont....and thats fine with me.

You cant please all of the people, all of the time...particularly those with a pre-determined mindset.

As to the most mean-spirited, disruptive influence, here....I stand by what I said.

A little introspective on your own might do you some good as well. :thumb:

Fixed it for ya.

I like a good flame war as much as the next guy. But when it turns into name calling and bullshit I go play some where else. So POO POO on all y'all.

I like your idea to self-moderate. The threads don't need a mod. Temporary bans have worked in the past.

You're really saying he should act like you do with friends. I've no reason to believe Redux, and tw, and UG, don't act the same way in real life, as they do on the board.

Yet I've heard over and over what a great guy merc is in real life (real life as it pertains to extended relationships beyond the cellar, I guess...other sorts of contributions of which I do not know.) Can we assume he is NOT like he is on the boards?

I don't seem to have a problem IRL. Maybe it's seeing my face when I joke or get fired up, because IRL people seem to like me, actually want me around. *shrug*

Merc and Classic and Redux have all been very nice to me in PM's and other ways. Yet, they seem to have some male testosterone thing going when it comes down to one another. People are many faceted. I don't think we can make sweeping generalizations about what a person is like in real life based on a message board.

PS Bruce is a sweetie pie no matter what. ;)

I agree. For me, a cheeky grin goes along way.
umm on this side of the screen anyway.:blush: