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Originally Posted by capnhowdy (Post 541092)

At least we know he don't rub shit in his hair.

Maybe.

TGRR,
Is only bald on top.

Cant we all jut get along

Yon

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Had President George Bush, or Secretary Rumsfeld said, “The United States of America Does Not Torture,” bets are on that those same people who reflexively attacked when Obama took an anti-torture stand, would have cheered and agreed had Bush or Rumsfeld delivered the same message. Under Obama they seem to see anti-torture as too soft, though under Bush they might have viewed the same position with great national pride. An unequivocal stand against torture might have been viewed as undeniable evidence of moral rectitude and great internal strength. It is fair to ask, Why, if we did not torture prisoners during the first part of the war (which is just getting started), did we not come out and state, “The United States of America Does Not Torture”?

To be sure, I believe there is one circumstance when the United States should reserve the right to torture, which will be explained later.

While Bush was President, millions of people around the world wanted us to lose the Iraq war, apparently because they hated George Bush. It was also obvious to me, during periods between war stints while traveling inside the United States, Europe and Asia, that many people relished the idea of so many Americans being killed in Iraq, and the idea that Iraqis were dying, because they hated George Bush. Most of the American “anti-war” people were not “anti-war” at all. If they were truly anti-war, they would be protesting the deployment of 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan. They were anti-George Bush. And today we have a similar species of thought, only it’s anti-Obama from some of the very people who previously complained about the anti-Bush reflex.

~snip~

It is perhaps just a matter of time before millions of people, many of them Americans, who previously wanted to win the AfPak and Iraq wars, will want to see those places go sour, because they hate President Obama. Schadenfreude is alive and well.

This was part of a longer piece about torture and why he's against it.

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Originally Posted by ILoveObama (Post 541231)

Cant we all jut get along

Then we wouldn't have anything to post

You could share the sordid details of your love-life with us. ;)

Odds of that happening are ZERO, but nice try.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 541341)

Odds of that happening are ZERO, but nice try.

S'ok. We'll just make shit up.

no doubt, but take that to another forum.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 541388)

no doubt, but take that to another forum.

Aw, he's bashful.

It just doesn't belong in the political forum.

The Gov's definition of torture is a lot different than most folks.
I was surprised when I went here to check "torture" out.

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy (Post 541423)

The Gov's definition of torture is a lot different than most folks.
I was surprised when I went here to check "torture" out.

Yay! We're North Korea!

C'mon. :eyebrow:

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Special to CNN.com
Thursday, August 26, 2004 Posted: 3:11 PM EDT (1911 GMT)

ohhh sorry - totally missed that

That's from capnhowdy's link.