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Aliantha 05-20-2007 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 344833)
If you feel that is true, then why in hell are you reading this thread, other to scold people. Go read Clouds threads.

I was reading this thread to see if there had been anything new said on the subject which hadn't been discussed before.

Stop being such a child Bruce.

Spexxvet 05-20-2007 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 344831)
If someone broke in your house and threatened to kill you with a baseball bat, wouldn't you use any means at your disposal to defend yourself? Of course you would.
Does that mean you bought that knife, lamp, golf club, crowbar, to kill someone? No, that's a stupid assumption.

If your dog attacks and rips the intruders throat out, does that mean you bought the dog to kill people? No, that's a stupid assumption.

Does that mean if I shoot that same attacker, I bought that gun to kill someone? No, that's a stupid assumption.

Answer the question.

Spexxvet 05-20-2007 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 344509)
For what ridiculous reason did you buy guns, then, Bruce?

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 344835)
Too, simplistic, there are more reasons to buy a gun than just self defense.

Answer the question.

Spexxvet 05-20-2007 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 344834)
A gun is not purchased to kill someone. (unless, of course, it is, in the case of a criminal or whatever... but thats another deal altogether)
A gun IS purchased expressly to defend yourself with, up to and including using it to kill.

This is a semantics issue, I think.

Exactly. If someone buys a gun to defend themselves, they intend to use lethal force to defend themselves. If the circumstances arise, they intend to kill someone. They may even hope that they never have to, but just owning a gun indicates their intent.

Spexxvet 05-20-2007 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 344727)
Because he crossed the line. He's not not arguing his position against handguns, he's making personal accusations, of me buying guns with the intent of killing people. That lie is unacceptable and can't go unanswered.

You may be angry because my presumption is incorrect. You may be angry because my presumption is correct, and you don't like being read so easily. You may be angry just at my presumption. But to say I'm lying is just plain wrong.

BTW, do I have an innate right to presume?;)

xoxoxoBruce 05-20-2007 06:42 PM

You can presume all you want, but when you start telling lies, the gloves come off.

I live a couple miles from where you work. If you were really worried about my guns and how I use them, you wouldn't be talking shit.
It's obvious you're making up ridiculous claims, to support your opinion, because it won't stand on it's merits nor convince rational people.

Oh, and I did answer the question.

xoxoxoBruce 05-20-2007 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 344874)
I was reading this thread to see if there had been anything new said on the subject which hadn't been discussed before.

Stop being such a child Bruce.

Stop being such a cunt.

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Lastly, this is a forum for adults, and we assume the content here is likely to be obscene or possibly offensive. All messages express the views of the people who wrote them.

xoxoxoBruce 05-20-2007 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 344885)
Exactly. If someone buys a gun to defend themselves, they intend to use lethal force to defend themselves. If the circumstances arise, they intend to kill someone. They may even hope that they never have to, but just owning a gun indicates their intent.

That's bullshit. You're assuming someone that buys a gun, strictly for self defense, is willing to kill someone. You have no way of knowing what their intentions are, how far they are willing to take a confrontation, whether they will even load that gun.
You're talking bullshit because, you just don't know and claiming you do is a lie.

TheMercenary 05-20-2007 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 344885)
Exactly. If someone buys a gun to defend themselves, they intend to use lethal force to defend themselves. If the circumstances arise, they intend to kill someone. They may even hope that they never have to, but just owning a gun indicates their intent.

I would agree with that. I would kill the first of you fucks who tried to rob me or my family or any other scumbag who came through the door. And thank God our state now has a law the lets me shoot your ass if you try to steal my car as well. :eek:

Spexxvet 05-20-2007 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 344897)
You can presume all you want, but when you start telling lies, the gloves come off.

I didn't lie, you dumb motherfucker
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 344897)
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Oh, and I did answer the question.

Liar.

xoxoxoBruce 05-20-2007 08:53 PM

The fuck I didn't, I just didn't give you the answer you could twist into your stupid, illogical, claims. So your not worried about my guns after all, you're just bullshit, you lying cocksucker.
UG was right (you don't know how much it pains me to say that), you're so fucked up you don't even understand what you're saying. What a waste.

Spexxvet 05-20-2007 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 344973)
The fuck I didn't, I just didn't give you the answer you could twist into your stupid, illogical, claims. So your not worried about my guns after all, you're just bullshit, you lying cocksucker.
UG was right (you don't know how much it pains me to say that), you're so fucked up you don't even understand what you're saying. What a waste.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 344831)
If someone broke in your house and threatened to kill you with a baseball bat, wouldn't you use any means at your disposal to defend yourself? Of course you would.
Does that mean you bought that knife, lamp, golf club, crowbar, to kill someone? No, that's a stupid assumption.

If your dog attacks and rips the intruders throat out, does that mean you bought the dog to kill people? No, that's a stupid assumption.

Does that mean if I shoot that same attacker, I bought that gun to kill someone? No, that's a stupid assumption.

That doesn't look like an answer - it looks like a bunch of questions with some comments. Complete this statement "if someone forced their way inot my house and threatened me with a baseball bat, I would..."

Don't presume to tell me my intentions, lying moron.

xoxoxoBruce 05-20-2007 10:14 PM

I doesn't look like an answer because your so busy trying to support your lies you can't read for comprehension.
None of my handguns were bought for self defense.
If you broke in my house, and tried to kill me me a baseball bat, I'd cut you in half with a 12 gage shotgun, dumb fuck.

TheMercenary 05-20-2007 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 345059)
I doesn't look like an answer because your so busy trying to support your lies you can't read for comprehension.
None of my handguns were bought for self defense.
If you broke in my house, and tried to kill me me a baseball bat, I'd cut you in half with a 12 gage shotgun, dumb fuck.

WHO'd a thunk it!;)

Urbane Guerrilla 05-21-2007 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 344973)
UG was right (you don't know how much it pains me to say that). . .

Comes easier with time and experience -- assuming, of course, that I do my part to stay on good grounds.

Though really, xoB, having rassled with you for a while on this and that, I do respect you: you're not stupid, you're not warped, and you make an intelligent and worthy opponent in those instances when we oppose. (Then afterwards I suppose we can break out the bran muffin cupcakes. ;) With sprinkles.)

There are other such Cellar Dwellars who have one way or another earned respect: richlevy, and BigV, when the subject is NOT firearms and the man. You guys seem to agree a lot among yourselves, and seem to make up something of a group.

And of course there are the ones I've just plain liked anyway, wolf, LabRat, and Aliantha among these. While I haven't much respect for Ibram's attempts to take me down, Ibram's own self seems not bad at all. Pierce I eye with suspicion. Youthful-leftist BS from either of these is something I left behind ever so long ago -- upwards of forty years now. So I don't have time for it.


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