To each his own...
 

...rkzenrage...you take your martini your way, I'll take my martini...with some vermouth, and olives. And by the way, stirred, not shaken.

What about the native american populations that have died? Both in north and south? The spanish wiped out entire cvilizations in the americas. The english, dutch, french and later the mexicans and americans continued this.

Absolutely. Yet another genocide we do not strongly seek to remember.

The point in me bringing this up is will we as a species do these things on other worlds?

Shaking them "bruises" the vermouth.
Though, I used to have a method where I would spritz the cold glass with vermouth and place it back in the freezer.
I would make an ice slick of vermouth that would slowly melt into the gin and olives/juice.
Then you could shake-spin the crap out of the gin and get it so cold ice crystals would form. In Sapphire, this, with the ice sheet on the glass, this was a beautiful drink.

I also made one with homemade cranberry liqueur (made from only gin, sugar, cranberries, time and much straining). Blood-red and very tasty.

Edit: and I only use, cold, Spanish giant queen olives or Texas Pete's hot pickled okra (to DIE for).
Bruising means you don't get the separation of flavors, the gin and vermouth separate on the palate. Bruised, the drink is cloudy, not only in color but in flavor as well... I would not drink a bruised martini unless it was the only thing to drink. It tasted like strange water.

The only time I have ever place the gin and vermouth in the same container before the glass was mixing in a pitcher and placing in a freezer or fridge. Usually I had a spritzer, like what hair dressers use on your hair, filled with vermouth and some juice of olive or Pete's hot okra juice to spray in my glass before placing it in a freezer.

There is only one race.

There is a double standard on accusations of double standards in America.

Thankyou. At least when i say i don't like star trek i can say i know who created it, you have lessened my ignorance

I'm not a martini aficionado, but it reminds me of another unpopular opinion of mine. Bottled water tastes like crap. Every time I taste it, I wonder why is everyone drinking this? It tastes like plastic.

Don Imus was fired for the ugly true things he said about Clinton and Bush not the ugly false things he said about the Rutgers' women.

If human beings ever come across another humanlike species they think they can dominate they'll do it.

Man has learned nothing.

rkzenrage, way back in post #95, I said:

You've said the same thing, only much more efficiently.

Yeah. He kind of has that whole efficiency thing down to a tee:P

OK, I'm with you on the Spanish Olives, and I'll try the vermouth ice slick with the spritzer trick...and I'd like to try the hot pickled okra, but I don't think it's available here in W Pa...at least I have not seen it. I have tried jalapeños, and that's a nice variation.

Just saw this...and completely agree...the only martinis are GIN martinis...vodka is just so...bland...and apple? Chocotinis? Why not drop in a scoop of ice cream? Dear god that sounds more like desert than a cocktail. Besides, I just don't think apples and olives can coexist in the same glass, ditto chocolate and olives.