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TheMercenary 03-03-2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 540743)
So do you not agree that there is a segment of society who live poorly because they've made bad decision - sometimes by way of stupidity - or simply because they don't try very hard to improve their lot in life?

While I agree that in some ways and from some perspectives, the distribution of wealth is inequitable, I just can't help but open my eyes to the fact that a lot of poor people needn't be poor.

Take Australia for example. There's really no reason why anyone should live below the poverty line considering we have a pretty good welfare system in place, and yet somehow there are people who can't get their shit together enough to use the help that's available to them.* I'm not saying our system is perfect, but it's a pretty good safety net for those who choose to take advantage of it.

*Issues of mental health come into this point, along with alcoholism and other addictive behaviours. Those are social problems which I believe we are all responsible for in some ways, but not all.

I think a better description might be that less educated people tend to be poor, rather than just stupid. More educated people tend not to be poor. I have found that often bad decisions that people make often lead to more bad decisions and things spiral down from there. People get stuck in that rut and can't get out. I think you hit the nail on the head with mental health issues, drugs, ETOH, etc.

Undertoad 03-03-2009 09:58 AM

Doc, you're way off course! No wonder your fellow safari mates are fumbling and bumbling like they're lost. Go here:

http://wmtu.mtu.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6656

Aliantha 03-03-2009 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 540849)
I think a better description might be that less educated people tend to be poor, rather than just stupid. More educated people tend not to be poor. I have found that often bad decisions that people make often lead to more bad decisions and things spiral down from there. People get stuck in that rut and can't get out. I think you hit the nail on the head with mental health issues, drugs, ETOH, etc.

So with that in mind, do you think that the source of the problem is really in the education of our children? If children have better access to a decent education, they'll make better decisions and get out of the rut their parents are in?

While I think that yes we do need to look closely at education and ways to improve systems across the board both in private and public sectors, I don't think that's the only answer. It needs to be a multi-pronged approach and of course we could discuss those issues all day and come no closer to solving the problem.

I do believe that ultimately, there will always be poor people, and there'll always be rich people, and there'll always be the rest of us who sit somewhere in between. I think this is how societies based on capitalism work and always will work, and even though here in Australia we have more government monitoring, we're still a capitalist society in many ways, so will always be subject to the same problems although perhaps to a lesser degree than in the US in some ways.

TGRR 03-03-2009 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 540852)
Doc, you're way off course! No wonder your fellow safari mates are fumbling and bumbling like they're lost. Go here:

http://wmtu.mtu.edu/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6656

I am not a member of the safari crowd. They fired me after "the incident".

Just so ya know.

Aliantha 03-03-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Livingstoned (Post 540803)
Egad! An Antipodean!

Probably an escaped convict living off the land. Hangings too good for 'em I say.

Toodle pip!


I think someone should tell these clowns where to put doctored images of cellar dwellars...if they think they've earned the right to participate in such threads of course.

Monster, maybe you could show them how it should be done? I don't think they're very good.

TGRR 03-03-2009 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 540794)
Class warfare,

Bosh. When it's class warfare, you'll KNOW it. We haven't even started eating those bastards yet.

The upper class has been crapping on our heads for 60 years. Hell, now they're taking your taxes to pay CEOs bonuses. Crapping back is a perfectly acceptable response.

TGRR 03-03-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Livingstoned (Post 540803)
Egad! An Antipodean!

Probably an escaped convict living off the land. Hangings too good for 'em I say.

Toodle pip!

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4002/11065510.jpg


WRAAAAAAAAAATH!

TheMercenary 03-03-2009 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 540957)
So with that in mind, do you think that the source of the problem is really in the education of our children? If children have better access to a decent education, they'll make better decisions and get out of the rut their parents are in?

While I think that yes we do need to look closely at education and ways to improve systems across the board both in private and public sectors, I don't think that's the only answer. It needs to be a multi-pronged approach and of course we could discuss those issues all day and come no closer to solving the problem.

I do believe that ultimately, there will always be poor people, and there'll always be rich people, and there'll always be the rest of us who sit somewhere in between. I think this is how societies based on capitalism work and always will work, and even though here in Australia we have more government monitoring, we're still a capitalist society in many ways, so will always be subject to the same problems although perhaps to a lesser degree than in the US in some ways.

I think most people have be praying that the solution was to provide better education to the poor kids. So far we can't even do that effectively. It would be a hard thing to measure. We shouldn's stop trying.

capnhowdy 03-03-2009 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 540977)
I am not a member of the safari crowd. They fired me after "the incident".

Just so ya know.

We knew that from post one.

TGRR 03-03-2009 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by capnhowdy (Post 541032)
We knew that from post one.

Outstanding! You get a gold star!

http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...s/retard15.jpg

capnhowdy 03-03-2009 07:12 PM

We knew you looked like that too.

TGRR 03-03-2009 07:17 PM

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QrglFMeLkg.../thumbs_up.jpg

TheMercenary 03-03-2009 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 541037)

TGRR you are so cute for a retard! :D

Someone stamp his forehead with a star! :lol2:

TGRR 03-03-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 541053)
TGRR you are so cute for a retard! :D

Someone stamp his forehead with a star! :lol2:

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful

TGRR,
Knows the horrible truth is far, far worse.

capnhowdy 03-03-2009 08:49 PM

At least we know he don't rub shit in his hair.


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