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infinite monkey 01-03-2012 10:33 AM

It's not a story.

It's simple geometry.

BigV 01-03-2012 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 784884)
@ V: So your answer and my answer are the same. My answer is just easier to read. ;)

Prolly. but who knows what evil lurks in the index of his little book.

I wasn't trying to outdo your answer, I just took a LONG time formatting my charty thingy and the posts landed accordingly.

infinite monkey 01-03-2012 10:35 AM

I knew dat. I had to double check mine to see that it matched yours. Wanted to make sure I'd said it right.

glatt 01-03-2012 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 784887)
@glatt --
I skimmed your link, interesting.

And it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the hunter goes around the squirrel.

footfootfoot 01-03-2012 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 784892)
And it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the hunter goes around the squirrel.

You can put a pig in a dinner jacket but it's still a pig.

Infi gets #34 right, BigV gets #35 right.

Glatt and Classic are on probation.

glatt 01-03-2012 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 784899)
You can put a pig in a dinner jacket but it's still a pig.

You can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but a bird in the hand is worth a silk purse.

classicman 01-03-2012 12:46 PM

On probation? For what? Being correct? Ya Cock!

jimhelm 01-03-2012 03:18 PM

he's a German Purse



Deutch Bag

classicman 01-04-2012 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 784853)
Classic, in this case the the hub of the wheel is the tree and the squirrel is the opposite side of the rim.

No, not from my perspective. The axle is the tree, the squirrel is the hub and the hunter is the outside of the rim.

This whole thing is dependent upon the definition of "go around"
This is where the dispute comes in. Depending upon one's definition of that either answer is correct. I'm out.


ETA - again semantics, NOT geometry. :p:

infinite monkey 01-04-2012 10:27 AM

No, again. It's GEOMETRY. NOT semantics.

You. Are. Wrong.

kthxbai :p

BigV 01-04-2012 10:45 AM

My new favorite obsession. It really is about geometry. When the puzzle says circle the tree, that's geometry. There's a plain unambiguous definition of a circle, likewise what is inside and what is outside the circle.

I'd love to understand the reasoning behind this different conclusion, really. I've heard lots of justifications, facing, semantics, parallel paths, ropes, turning, not turning, tree, etc etc. None of them stand up, or at least none have been convincing to me. I would like to be convinced, if it is really what you believe, that the squirrel has not been gone around. But nothing has done that yet.

Until then, the geometry of a circle, the semantic definition of a circle, remains the most convincing, truest answer.

infinite monkey 01-04-2012 10:46 AM

Parallel planes never intersect. Geometry.


;)

What if you laid out the circumference of the path of the squirrel and the circumference of the path of the hunter into straight lines?

Parallel lines.

footfootfoot 01-04-2012 10:55 AM

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You can lead a horse to water...

And now for some more algebra, which some people find easier to understand:

glatt 01-04-2012 10:58 AM

If you change the problem so the hunter doesn't go around the squirrel, then I would agree that the hunter doesn't go around the squirrel. Until then...

Lamplighter 01-04-2012 10:59 AM

OK, V...

The hunter goes around a circle.
The circle has a center.
The center is a point.
A point has zero dimensions.

Ibso Santorum, the hunter goes around nothing.

:rolleyes:


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