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Radar 01-03-2008 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 421356)
OMG! We should have all just read the first post and that would have been the end of it.

Silly us!

I'm glad we finally got that straightened out. :p

Radar 01-03-2008 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 421357)
mercy, let's take it in the other direction too.

The Constitution applies to US citizens. Ok, then. When you, a US citizen, travel to another country, are you still covered by the Constitution? A better question is this: Are you subject to the laws of the country you're in?

Someone here gets it.

Radar 01-03-2008 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 421362)
My dear radar - you nutty lil fruitcake - please, please, please at least keep your dignity. :jig:

( yeah, I stole ur smilie)

dignity? When did I get that? I certainly want to keep that. :jig:

Happy Monkey 01-03-2008 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 421068)
The clause refers solely to the migration and importation of slaves ...

It doesn't say so. Are you bringing in something from outside the Constitution?

Slaves don't migrate.

classicman 01-03-2008 09:10 PM

...not by choice anyway.

Radar 01-03-2008 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 421393)
It doesn't say so. Are you bringing in something from outside the Constitution?

Slaves don't migrate.

They migrate the same way cattle do. Their masters take them from one place to another. Slaves are imported. Slaves are property for which you paid a duty or a tax to import. Free people are not imported, are not property, and do not require a tax or a duty. The clause can only refer to slavery and our founders said so, the Supreme Court said so, the U.S. government and every single law school in America say so, and most of all the U.S. Constitution says so through the use of words like import, duty, tax, and migration rather than immigration.

Happy Monkey 01-03-2008 11:51 PM

Owned animals don't migrate; free ones do.

The tax applies to imports (slaves), not migrants. The paragraph bars Congress from interfering with imports AND migration, up to a certain date, but allows a tax or duty on imports only. No tax for migration.

The Supreme Court, the US Government, and every single law school in America all say the Federal government can regulate immigration. I thought you didn't want to bring them into the argument.

Radar 01-03-2008 11:58 PM

Migration refers to movement, not merely natural migrations, but forced ones. The Duty and Tax refer to an imported good; specifically the slave. The importation (bringing property into America) and migration (moving the livestock...aka slaves into different states to be sold) of slaves can only apply to slaves, and not the immigration of free people.

The Constitution says that the federal government may not have implied powers or the power to restrict or legislate immigration.

classicman 01-04-2008 07:26 AM

Radar, you keep telling us what this or that particular passage "refers to" ??? If it is so clear, then why do you have to keep explaining what it means, is applicable to, defining or relegating?
I was thinking about what UT showed us a few days back - we are all wrong! Those guys were way ahead of us and foresaw these very same arguments that we are having today. Thats why some argue that passages or phrases in the constitution are intentionally vague. Perhaps they entrusted future leaders to do the right things and apply the "implied meaning" to the current world or situations.
Certainly they didn't want us to stagnate in our thoughts and ideas or our direction for this most awesome country. I hope that we as a people have the ability and wisdom to, as a collective, choose those leaders. :2cents:

Shawnee123 01-04-2008 07:40 AM

Coconuts migrate.

Spexxvet 01-04-2008 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 421453)
Coconuts migrate.

Here's my grate
http://www.fireplacemall.com/Grates/...26300_sp65.jpg

Shawnee123 01-04-2008 08:23 AM

It's a beauty, too, Spexx. :)

ZenGum 01-04-2008 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 421462)
It's a beauty, too, Spexx. :)

Yeah, its great.

Radar 01-04-2008 09:54 AM

LOL! :biggrinje

TheMercenary 01-04-2008 10:40 AM

Birds migrate.


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