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Clearly the only real option is to set up re-education camps where fascist sympathisers like m'self and the good lady sugarpop can learn the true meaning of freedom.

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 563459)

True, but where was our knowledge of the enemy at that time? Nowhere. There seems also this undercurrent of thinking that we for some reason ought simply to tolerate having our buildings knocked down, our people killed, our nation shocked by people of ideas so unpopular they must kill people to make them stick. Why?

I do not hold with that kind of fatuous thinking, and my opponents never seem to extricate themselves from it.

So the whole torture thing is "punishment"?

Ha, ha, ha.

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CIA Says Pelosi Was Briefed on Use of 'Enhanced Interrogations'
By Paul Kane
Intelligence officials released documents this evening saying that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was briefed in September 2002 about the use of harsh interrogation tactics against al-Qaeda prisoners, seemingly contradicting her repeated statements over the past 18 months that she was never told that these techniques were actually being used.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cap...riefed_on.html

I have no cites, but the new last night said that multiple documents recently released corroborate that.

In typical political fashion she will simply wait a while to let it blow over and/or until something else grabs a headline and the attention of the people and all will be right back to normal. The fact that she is a bold faced liar, just like most of them, will soon be forgotten... business as usual.

This would be the only right thing to do.

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Hoekstra considers hearings on Pelosi, interrogations
By Mike Soraghan and Jeremy P. Jacobs
Posted: 05/08/09 11:31 AM [ET]
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is under renewed fire after the Obama administration released documents that critics say contradict her claim that she was never told that U.S. detainees were being waterboarded.

Rep. Pete Hoekstra (Mich.), the top Republican on House Intelligence, in an interview Friday said the document proves that Pelosi knew waterboarding occurred but has denied is because of political pressure from the liberal base of her party.

“Clearly her left wing is outraged that waterboarding was used,” Hoekstra said. “The bottom line is she and her key staff, they all knew about it.”

Now that these documents have been released, Hoekstra is calling for additional CIA documents to be made public including some that he has read that provide a more complete account of what was discussed in lawmaker briefings.

He is also considering calling for congressional hearings on what members knew and when they knew it.

“I wouldn't have a problem with the intelligence committee or the Judiciary Committee having hearings on this,” he said. “If [House Judiciary Chairman] John Conyers [D-Mich.] wants to have hearings, they shouldn't call in the Department of Justice attorneys as their first witnesses. The first people that should be called in and held accountable ought to be Congress.”

Hoekstra also indicated he is considering sending Conyers a letter requesting such hearings.

“He now has a list of who should be the first witnesses,” Hoekstra said.

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http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...009-05-08.html

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He is also considering calling for congressional hearings on what members knew and when they knew it.

Now that'd be interesting.

Yep, thats the kind of transparency we should have.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 563739)

Ha, ha, ha.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cap...riefed_on.html

So prosecute her, too.

Clean sweep. Investigate the hell out of it, and start tossing the bastards in prison.

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 563962)

Yep, thats the kind of transparency we should have.

In this case yes. Expose her duplicity.

In this case? Oh, sorry, I forgot. She's a democrat.

Seems nobody's hands are clean on this.

This may be why nobody is really pushing for hearings or for an independent investigation. I believe there should be a very THOROUGH investigation, and let the chips fall where they may. People should go to jail for this, but so far, the only people to have been punished are GRUNTS way down on the totum pole.

There is a very serious divide in how people at the top and people in the middle and at the bottom are treated with regard to wrongdoing. We always say we are a nation of laws, but when people in power or people with money get caught, nothing ever happens to them, or if it does, it is the exception rather than the rule. We really need to END that practice. We are not a nation of laws if the people who truly need to be punished never are. And laws were very clearly broken here. I want Cheney to go to jail. He's all over TV blackmouthing Obama. Let's get him first. I am fairly convinced he ran the whole thing anyway.

People are not pushing for an independent investigation because they understand that procedures were followed and that the torture memos are evidence thereof. They were asking the department whose job it would be to investigate, comprehend?

Me: Hey, Mr. police officer. That STOP sign is bent over and has been for two years. It looks like somebody decided it wasn't valid... they haven't replaced it.

Policeman: It sure does.

Me: So look, because the sign is broken, I'm just going to go through this intersection without stopping, OK?

Policeman: Yes. I've looked in the county records and there is no legal STOP sign at this intersection. You may definitely go through this intersection without stopping.

Me: (goes through intersection)

Policeman: You are under arrest.

Me: What?? But I went through a procedure where I asked you specifically about this sign!

Policeman: The fact that you asked is proof of your guilt. Also, sugarpop is "fairly convinced" you're guilty. Fairly is good enough for me. Off we go.

So, Undertoad, you're saying that an investigation is the same thing as arresting people without an investigation???

TGRR,
Isn't sure what you're getting at.

Try harder man. It's not that difficult.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 564044)

In this case yes. Expose her duplicity.

Duplicity? Wacko nonsense that only a George Jr lover would post. Once the briefing was 'classified' she could say nothing.

In order to hide torture, torture was classified. Not because it was secret. Classified so that they could continue to lie to Americans. Lying – which is routine from wacko extremists who also love torture. Anyone briefed about American torture (that George Jr said does not exist) could not discuss it or challenge it.

Wackos who love torture forget to mention all facts. Briefings were classified so that nobody could talk about it or could challenge it. Then wackos accuse Pelosi of doing what everyone who knew she had to do. How convenient. Wackos again forget to mention all facts.

Half facts - another way that wacko extremists routinely pervert reality. No wonder Colin Powell is a flaming liberal.