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Happy Monkey 08-16-2007 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 375418)
Of course not I have stated that more than once, but if they are not honorable they would simply ignore the pregnancy

Unless they didn't. You have no reason to make that assumption.
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I have not been here moron.
Yes you have. I've been trying to get an answer for a while, and you have posted in the meantime.
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By allowing the father to have his child if he wishes. Simple.
No, not simple. Here are some complications:

How would the father know about the pregnancy? Would he have to be notified by law? How would his identity be determined? A mandatory DNA test before abortion?

How, if he wanted the child, would the woman be stopped from having an abortion? Would the woman need to bring a permission slip to the doctor? Would the doctor have to check a national registry of woman who are prohibited abortions for nine months?

What deterrant would there be? Prison? A fine?

In short, how would your law work? You're saying that the father ought to have a say in the decision. Most would agree, as a matter of personal interaction. But how could that preference be encoded into law?

rkzenrage 08-16-2007 03:59 PM

All that would take some time to work out.
As far as notification, I would hope the mother would have a modicum of honor. But then, if that were true, there would be no need for a law.

lumberjim 08-16-2007 04:03 PM

there it is. there is no need for this law. you have it now!

rkzenrage 08-16-2007 04:04 PM

As long as all women honor the fathers as equals, true.
As always LJ can't read.

Happy Monkey 08-16-2007 04:05 PM

Sometimes the woman shouldn't have to tell him - rape, for example. Would she have to get a waiver from a judge in order to get an abortion without the rapist's consent? What if it were one of the many rapes (often date rape) where there is not enough evidence to convict? As he is innocent until proven guilty, can he still veto her abortion decision?

rkzenrage 08-16-2007 04:07 PM

I would hope that is a given.

lumberjim 08-16-2007 04:10 PM

butthole

Flint 08-16-2007 04:15 PM

I think all abortions should be decided by a roving gang of machete-wielding psychopaths.
If they don't hack you to pieces, you are legally required to have a baby. Case closed.

Happy Monkey 08-16-2007 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 375450)
I would hope that is a given.

You would hope that it's a given that a date rapist could force his victim to give birth to his kid?

rkzenrage 08-16-2007 04:23 PM

I find it fascinating and pathetic how many in here do not believe in innocent until proven guilty AT ALL.

Flint 08-16-2007 04:24 PM

Innocent until proven guilty is a moot point, if the investigation exceeds the timeframe in which an abortion is possible. Another problem.

rkzenrage 08-16-2007 04:35 PM

Again, I have not pretended to state that I have worked out all legal ramifications and have stated multiple times that the woman should have personal honor so the law does not get involved.
As always, total lack of reading comprehension.
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butthole
From LJ, a high compliment.

Shawnee123 08-16-2007 04:40 PM

All women will have personal honor as soon as all men do. K? Oh, and we'll stop recreational fucking as soon as men do too.

rkzenrage 08-16-2007 04:41 PM

Wow, more inability to read.
The whole conversation is about men who wish to own up to the product of their actions.

Flint 08-16-2007 04:42 PM

The honor system is what we have in place now. You are suggesting a law which would be prohibitively impractical.


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