I think he means Missal, like in a book of religious ceremony and doctrine.

Those can be quite dangerous when lobbed at a country, you know?

I think that the incidental nuclear deterrent the US provides to Canada is probably being considered as payment at this point. That should be worth a couple billion barrels of oil per warhead. :lol:

Very true. If the Russkies weren't scared shitless of us, they would have nuked Canada back in the 50s.

Yup, I like it here. You pass. I will hang around a while.
(My major decision of the day was deciding if I should post Yup or Yes. I am not much of a decider; I am more of a doer, borderline ocd. Those that know me would laugh at borderline.)

I am grateful.


I do not do quizzes. It is one of my quirks. They remind me of authority. I hate authority.

Did I mention I am dyslexic? Word’s spell-check does not pick up errors such as missals. To them it is spelt properly, but they do not know it is the wrong properly spelt word.

Next time you are in town, Undertoad, I will show you the seedier side of Montreal. It is not in the tourist guides. Are you into seedier?

If we weren’t next door to you we would not have to worry about being nuked, now would we?

Being your neighbour comes with a high price, plus a bonus for you, you get to drink our beer, not the piss water you are used to.

please.

Molson? Labatt's? piss water.

Since Brianna's an iggy, I will have to answer to this: I miss my pickup. I bought it when I was selling guns, and it had a padded bed for the oak and glass display cases. Had to get rid of it for something more fuel-stingy. I think it would've fallen into the category you describe, though.

I'm not overly proud of my gun collection, but there are a couple of nice ones.


As for the trade deficit, how about we just send you all the worthless Canadian coinage that's rattling around in our tills? Not a week goes by that I don't find some dime with a woman's face on it in my change jar. All told, it must add up to several thousand dollars (CAN). Maybe a buck fitty in scrap metal otherwise.

You guys have some fabulous fishing and hunting, though. I would love the opportunity to donate to your wildlife management program in exchange for some moose burger and salmon steaks.

I knew there was a silver lining.

I like Canada. but lately it seems i've come upon a lot of Canadians with really bad superiority issues. like what country you reside in defines you as a person. I can;t decide if it's because they feel like they're better or worse than we are, but it does seem to be on their minds quite a bit. always comparing themselves to us. what's the difference between us? aren't we basically the same? shut up with all the propaganda already. you didnt invent Canada in your image or anything.

What I don't understand is MY getting the honor of an iggy and LJ didn't.

Sexism. Plain, old-fashioned sexism.

Cock. (not you, LJ) :)

If your were to backpack it around Europe and the world, would you put a stars and stripes or a maple leaf on your backpack? (Including the Mid East.)

Propaganda is lies. Show me where I have lied.

Its nice actually, you have given us a new and proud National Identity.

We are not American. :headshake

see what i mean?

remora people. dov, why don't you just be you? put your fucking flag away. tell us about yourself or your life, or.....shit i don;t know, but don't try to pick a fight on an american board about how much better you are because you're canadian. all you'll get is a big FUCK YOU. you only make yourself seem a little pathetic in your attempts to convince us ( and yourself ) that you hold some moral high ground.

and propaganda is not just lies. it's sales. you're selling.

i aint buying.

oh, and because i think 'iggy' [ghey] lists are for pussies, here's what bri said:

WE CAN TELL. ;)

even without the quiz

So, just out of idle curiosity, why did you come to an American board to bitch about the outcome of a Canadian election? Let's get real here. Its not as if Americans even KNEW you guys were having an election, never mind feeling too concerned about the results. :cool:

This is an American board?? OOOOOOOPSSSSS. Nevermind. :redface:

I am 50. I am single. Three divorces. Three beautiful children, thank god.
I am a seeker. My best friend is my cat, pookie, I love him. I am an ok guy who thinks much too much. I am an insomniac, I power nap during the day. I am an artist, mostly sculpt, marble, steel and old rustic wood, and I am a fund raiser, just completed an exhausting campaign about a week ago. I am still burnt.

Ok cards on the table, political, social. I hate bush, for the obvious reasons, war crimes and crimes against humanity, plus destroying the economy of a country and its population I used to love. I am not one of those who white washes it and says I don’t hate Americans, it’s the American administration I hate.

I am Jewish. I am knowledgeable of the 80 million Evangelical Bacs in the States. Evangelical Bacs make up ten percent of the worlds population. They have a mission, pre, post, present, Tribulation. Most know it as the Rapture, if they know of it at all. I will skip over the day-to-day ideology and get to the meat. To ensure the second coming of their Christ, thirteen million Jews, the total population of Jews world wide, must fry to death in Israel. 144k will be saved through conversion. I hate Evangelicals, who btw, are running the white house.
I hate the neocons that are tied in with the doctrine of the Evangelicals.
I hate everyone who voted for bush. I hate everyone who could have taken the hand of his or her neighbour to the voting booth to ensure bush would not win. Five percent harder works by anybody who were aware of the monster administration in the white house would have ensured its defeat. I hate those lazy rationalizing, justifying so called lefty liberals who could have done more. The Bacs did it, knocking on doors ensuring the present administrations victory. Why didn’t the lefties knock on doors? No excuse, will be good enough for me to forgive anybody and everybody who is responsible for taking a country most of the world idealized, including me, and turned it evil.

How does that affect me? It profoundly affects me. I used to have dreams, good guys beating the bad guys, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, Henry Fonda, were the good guys. That fantasy is dead in me today, on an emotional level. Intellectual? Later maybe, but know I am personally affected on many levels. I am affected by your politics. The whole world is. I am pretty sure most here know the financial cost of EITHER YOUR FOR ME OR AGAINST ME. Four billion dollars cost for the illegal invasion of Iraq, a week or month. I am not sure, it’s a few bucks. I would have preferred to have been spent elsewhere. However, who am I to prefer where you spend your money, I am just a Canadian Jewish Dreamer.
One thing and one-thing matters to me, the three year old dieing of aids in Africa.


Fallushia. She inhaled the States, Chemical Weapon, White Phosphorus, (WP), known as Willy Pete, she burnt to death burnt from the inside out.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/dovidxxx/ww.jpg
Ask yourselves, is there anything more you could have personally done to ensure that monster would not get a second term? Let me know what you come up with please.

Brador.

Conservative party won our national elections. Historically Conservatives have kissed the states ass. That is the link to my thread; all your ideology could be absorbed by our new prime minister Steven Harper. That is the motivation of this thread to explore your policies which we may adapt. It is a minority Government and most consider it relatively impotent. I am not so sure. I do not like surprises so I keep the worse case scenario open.
Ya, the same Americans who think we live in igloos.

Not too knowledgable. The actual number is about a quarter of that.

Politics does not work how you think it does.

I saw footage of a 24-year-old orange-hatted Howard Dean volunteer from Seattle doing door-knocking during the Iowa caucuses. It did not have the effect you think. It went a long way to explain why he came in an unexpected third place. Do not hire 24-year-old orange-hatted Seattleite to knock on doors in Iowa. You will lose.

Prove me wrong.

How many doors did you knock on?

You asked the Evangelicals how many there are. I asked adherents.com.

http://www.adherents.com/misc/BarnaPoll.html

Evangelicals Are Scarce

All Barna Research studies define "evangelicals" as individuals who meet the born again criteria; say their faith is very important in their life today; believe they have a personal responsibility to share their religious beliefs about Christ with non-Christians; acknowledge the existence of Satan; contend that eternal salvation is possible only through God's grace, not through good deeds; believe that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; and describe God as the all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect deity who created the universe and still rules it today. In this approach, being classified as an evangelical has no relationship to church affiliation or attendance, nor does it rely upon people describing themselves as "evangelical."

This classification model indicates that only 8% of adults are evangelicals. Barna Research data show that 12% of adults were evangelicals a decade ago, but the number has dropped by a third as Americans continue to reshape their theological views.

Not surprisingly, there were only three denominations that had at least one-quarter of their adherents qualify as evangelicals: the Assemblies of God (33%), non-denominational Protestant (29%), and Pentecostal (27%) churches. One out of every seven Baptists (14%) met the evangelical classification. An unexpectedly high proportion of people associated with the Churches of Christ - 12% - fit this standard. (Barna explained that this was because a majority of the category was comprised of individuals associated with congregations not part of the United Church of Christ cluster, which tends to have very liberal interpretations of Scripture.) Churches that have the lowest proportion of adherents meeting the evangelical criteria were the Catholic, Episcopal, and Mormon churches, each of which has just 1% of its people in this category.

I would not tell a gaggle of evangelicals that.

It was a very good try. I appreciate your efforts. Thank you Undertoad.

Barna Research Ltd. They define an "evangelical" very precisely.
You chose the extreme, very good. Very precisely.
Undertoad, check out the link, it has the full range. (If You wish)

I volunteered for the democrats and went door to door in my town, trying to get out the vote for Kerry. I lost track of all the people I talked to. I put up lawn signs. I folded and distributed campaign literature. When the election judge in my Republican district informed me that my name along with those of a bunch of other registered democrats had mysteriously vanished from the registered voters' list, I kicked and screamed and forced them to give me a provisional ballot. Short of assasinating W., I don't know how much more I could have done. :eyebrow:

marichiko, I don’t seem to be in the best of spirits presently, I am tired and its impossible to sleep. Your post lifted me. Thank you. For what it is worth, coming from an arrogant Canadian, you are a good man.

or Woman?

Nominating someone other than Teresa Heinz' husband would have been a good start. The rest of the election was pretty much damage control after that.

Ya, a lot of dems found a rational for being lazy. Heinz is a decent one. I’m sure the families of the murdered 100k Iraqi civilians who were turned to dust can empathise with you.

*sigh* He's older, he's Jewish, he's depressed and, if that weren't enough, he's arrogant.

Just the kind I go for!
In a perfect world, we would've hooked up, but, now, *SIGH*, we never will.

Beestie, you missed yet another entity that cheated Marichiko.

dov, we have previously and thoroughly debunked the 100k figure. I know that won't mean anything to you.

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Woman. If you came to the Cellar to get your spirits lifted by liberal Americans, I'm afraid you may be disappointed. But Cellar Dwellars do come in just about every political flavor and are always up for a good flame war. It passes the time. ;)

Jeez, Beestie, at least get your facts straight. I don't live in Boulder, which thanks to the presence of the University of Colorado, is a cess pool of bleeding heart liberals. I live down south in Focus of the Family Land. You'd adore this county for its arch Republican make-up. Therefore, your quote should have been:

That's OK, you don't have to thank me. :p

If America did, in some strange parallel universe default we're *all* screwed.
That's my 2c, in Australian dollars.

I saw your pic, incredible environment. You look very happy.

I am noticing the variety here. Gives me the freedom to be me. (Potentially, I have that pretentious mask on as I usually do when I walk into an unfamiliar room.) I am good at what I do, and I bore easily. I have been on forums where the posters were consistently ultra left wing Marxist feminists or others sights where the rednecks pass around a bottle of JD, or my fave, closets bacs. Within five minutes I can pigeon hole them. Not so here, plus you all have a certain respect for one another which transcends your political doctrines.
I like it here and I hope you can tolerate my arrogant facade long enough to get to know me.
(The jury is still deliberating whether it is a facade or not.)

Don't worry. ZippyT's spelling makes you look really good.

And we love our ZippyT. There's a point at which it becomes endearing, you know?

I guess I've figured out from context what "bac" means, but what's it short for?

I'm guessing Born Again Christian.

Which is not the same as an Evangelical, which I believe is where the conceptual problem is occuring in this exchange.

Born Again Christians are evangelicals, but evangelicals are not necessarily BACs.

I could be wrong. I am teachable. Teach me wolf.

uh-oh.

If you had any idea how many Pagans have resulted from just this sort of question...

Been there, done that, including the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Lancet study.

Impossible for you to have done so, come to a decisive conclusion on either side of the coin. It matters greatly to me. I have not a clue as to why you would say, I know that won't mean anything to you.

I must have taken part in over 3000 wasted posts on the topic. I hold that at least 100k Iraqi citizen were murdered by the Americans. There is nothing you can do, say, or cut and paste, which will alter my position. I will not attempt to prove my belief.

What upsets me the most is when even one murdered Iraqi child becomes a number, a stat.

Doh! Of course.

Say what you will, you've got to admire someone who refuses to change his position NO MATTER WHAT sort of information he's given to the contrary. That's what my mom calls 'stick-to-it-tiveness'. ;)

Unfortunately, every day the position becomes more right.

I'm not arguing with his position. I'm saying you've got to consider new info when it comes in.

Right, I was just pointing out that with this particular position, the longer he holds out, the more right he becomes.

On an impersonal level, 10k, 100k Iraqi civilian casualties, forgetting mommies seeing their babies shredded or babies watching their mommies shredded by a fragmentation hand grenades, no matter what the number, we can all agree innocent people (not numbers, not stats) were murdered, (collateral damage). It is an illegal invasion, the Commander in Chief is ultimately responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity, and in the final analysis, will face a jury.

(I won’t mention Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, or transporting prisoners to torture friendly countries at this time)

10k or 100k, same crime, same horror.

Media and numbers doesn’t matter, they are part of the propaganda, desensitizing us into forgetting there are actual human beings dieing, but stats, which every forum I have attended, focus on impersonal stats, pure ego, 100k dead, oh ya? I will prove 20k dead, pats self on the back.

Wartime media propaganda

You are pretty insightful, fuck the iggy, I never iggy anybody whoe can see through at least 66 layers of my persona. Square that and you will be close to knowing me.

All politics aside, dov, I fear you are not sleeping because you are ruminating on horrible things that you cannot control and it is making you feel depressed. Or, you are depressed because you're not sleeping due to ruminating...look: The point is, have you seen someone about this?

Dov, you are making yourself soul sick over something that you can do nothing about. While you may have a low opinion of the US, imagine what it is to be an American who has a conscience and a sense of justice and cares deeply about her country. At least your hands are relatively clean. Ours are not. I look around me and realize that every other person voted for W. to continue another 4 years of this barbarian war. Many of my fellow Americans STILL think the war in Iraq is justified. You haven't met UG, yet. I'm sure he'll be along shortly and you will NOT be delighted to make his acquaintance. A year or so ago I read a paper written by one of your countrymen who is a Colonel in the Canadian Army and was writing from his position as a delegate to a conference on the international laws of war. This Canadian Colonel made a brilliant argument that the current US administration and the top ranking members of our armed forces would be found guilty if the US was ever forced to go before an international tribunal such as the one at Nuremberg which condemned so many of the German high command to death or life long imprisonment after WWII.

Thank you for saying that I looked happy in the picture in my profile. I WAS happy. I had just spent a week camped in the wilds of southwestern Colorado and hadn't listened to the news on TV or even so much as glanced at a newspaper. I spent my days traveling the back roads with my cat - yes, my cat - and reading the poetry of Mary Oliver and Gary Snyder, and marveling at encounters with great horned owls and night hawks and my very first wild lynx and listening to the coyotes' song at night.

I am acquainted with one of Colorado's state representatives and he told me that after the last legislative session he was so soul sick that he had to retreat to the mountains alone for a month because he was so weary of his fellow members of the legislature and humanity in general.

Maybe you need to do the equivalent. The sorrows of this world are great and our spirits are fragile. Take care of yours.

The odor I get off of this guy is 'crank.' Like tw, he is ruled by his resentments, and his resentments border on hysteria, as his "about me, and I hate Bush" post shows.

I don't think anybody has any business hating on somebody who breaks two totalitarian regimes while in office. That's the action of colossally stupid people. Or of people who just can't cope with human liberty -- but now I'm repeating myself.

Thank you for your concern, Brianna. I do some social work, (one of my degrees is psychology), and I know the symptoms of depression, including sleeplessness, lack of libido, etc. I am not depressed, thank god. I have always been an insomniac, always. I power nap, an hour here, three hours there. My life style that I have created for myself enables me to do so. I am very rarely tired. (Possibly reading your mind, no, I am not manic)

I have a wonderful network of friends, teachers, and mentors.

My first cousin is my Doctor, he knows my situation, re sleep, of course, and knows it is not an issue and that I am healthy physically and emotionally.

I will put this as gently as I can, as I mentioned I appreciate your concern, but do not brain pick me anymore please, on a non-intellectual level.

I never ruminate. lol I face my demons head on.

Afghanistan had its largest poppy crop in its history, supplying the world with eighty six percent of its opium. The War Lords are crying all the way to the bank.

Seems you are a fan of Anarchy re both Afghanistan and Iraq. Anybody can break anything, (who breaks two totalitarian regimes.) Fixing it take brains and there definitely is a lack there of. He has not a clue how to fix it. He cannot stay, he cannot leave, and worst of all, he cannot even steal their oil. Four billion dollars a week, out of your pockets, for the troops to do absolutely nothing, other than being killed.

At least now I know your standards, if you have any at all is the question. You do the clone thingy pretty well, but then again all clones do the clone thingy pretty well.

Answer me two things, Urbane Guerrilla, please, where are the WMDs, not the WP and Napalm the American troops are using, and do you remember that guy OBL?

In addition, The Hague where Slobodan Milosevic and others accused of war crimes are being tried.
The Hague

Technically, if bush crossed the border, into Canada, I can make a citizens arrest and Canada can try him for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Technically, I said, not practically, but I would love cuffing bush. hahahaha

(Also tease him with a touch of flogging, but I am sure condi is better at it)

The sorrows of this world are my sorrows and my responsibility.
I am blessed with grace and my spirit is forever strong and unaffected thank you, marichiko.

I have my outlets.