My mother has done things you only read about.

Saddam is in the Cellar
 

LOL, was she in the one about the two vampire chicks, a rubber ball, three cases of rubber glue, and a tire iron? You're the man, Saddam.

i have serious doubts about nicotinegun's membership in the military, in general, and his presence in Iraq, specifically. just smells a little too much like a troll.

that may not be fair though. i've spent my years in the military associating with people that are actually able to analyze and synthesize info without making kneejerk reactions, but i'm sure there are a number of inbreeders who enjoy oversimplifying every issue to a soundbyte of blame. hell, somebody has to work the Public Affairs office, right?

Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce another Oooh, Oooh.
 

[quote=lookout123]i have serious doubts about nicotinegun's membership in the military, in general, and his presence in Iraq, specifically. just smells a little too much like a troll.

Doubt all you want, Sister. I'll send you a camel spider if you like. I never said I kicked down doors for a living. I imagine your thought process going as such: "Oooh, Ooooh, I'll say he smells like a troll. Yeah, that will be good. I'll send that to the Democrats. I bet they use in 08. Oooh, Oooh."

yep, you got me there. some of the self described democrats probably went into convulsions at the thought of Lookout being a democrat, but if that makes my skepticism easier for you to accept... whatever trips your trigger.

i'm not a D or an R. i am someone who as a conservative cringes when selfdescribed conservatives venture into my social networks and make asses of themselves. i am someone who asks for relatively level headed interaction. i am someone who absolutely despises people who define themselves by the amount of shit they can stir. i am someone who has spent a number of years in the military (enlisted - by choice) and has little tolerance for anyone who reinforces the stereotype of the knuckledragging, neanderthal grunt. i am someone who will gladly welcome you to the cellar if you will kindly separate the piss from the vinegar.

As an aside, I must say NICOTINEGUN does seem to have pretty free internet access above and beyond most of what our guys serving in Iraq generally have. But what do I know? Maybe they now give 1000 hours of free AOL issued with every tank. :rolleyes:

it depends on what his job is. when i was there many of the guys on the base were limited to 10 minute morale calls and intermittent computer access, but because of my job i always had the ability to call stateside unlimited and always had internet access. not everyone drives a tank or is a trigger puller.

*hell, i had better access over there thank i do here. EFF YOU NETNANNY! :lol:

I'm an in-flight rocket repair specialist
 

It's my day off, Sister. But, like Lookout said, it does depend on what your job title is. I was recon for four years, so I've done my time. I can assure you, just because I'm not a shooter does not mean I'm not being shot at. I'm lucky. Yes, I'm on the computer. No, I don't kick down doors. However, I do get mortars dropped on my head. RPGs have flown over my head. I am away from my family, which I cherish most in life. So, here we are. Tankers rock, by the way. I've only met one tanker I didn't like. Anyway, remember this, I don't get aggresive until someone draws the proverbial first blood. Additionally, I assure you I am not a "knucle-dragger." I'm too far up in the trees for my knuckles to ever touch the ground.

Life is too short to be tight ass all the time. I couldn't care less if you support the War or not, but leave the whole "what's your job" thing alone, unless you been in a combat zone. It's ridiculous to even argue about. We're talking politics, right? Let's get it on!!!!!

You've completely derailed your own damn thread. YOU bring it back on subject.

Does the infidel smoke, by any chance? Googling "nicotinegun" returns some rather interesting results.

My mother has talked about kicking your ass. Be warned.

Sorry I'm late....traffic.


so........


How about we put a big electrified fence at the southern border to keep them out.

Bluecuracao, you are correct!
 

The Host, NICOTINEGUN
The site, The Cellar,
The topic, Illegal Immigrants and why they are or are not ruining America.

They come here illegally. They cost us millions. They bring in disease, guns, drugs, gang bangers, and possibly terrorism. However, they do pick fruit, clean, and do other odd jobs no one wants to do. The real issue: would you rather be lazy and let them do it, or continue to pave the Illegal's way with your tax dollars?

First caller, this the Bottom Line with Nicotinegun, you on....

Concrete wall with wire.
 

How about we put a big electrified fence at the southern border to keep them out.[/quote]

concrete, more stable, less easy to get through, it would create more jobs. Additionally we could implement my Baboons on Patrol Program. I would love a wall...and good military guarding it. But that's just me, I guess. I must be the only man in the U.S. who wants a wall around our nation to keep out illegal immigrants. Yep, the only one.

I just saw John Kerry.

i think at this point that the real topic of this thread is that NG is a dick. we've all already talked about immigration. I'm more interested in why this condescending fuck thinks it's ok to introduce himself ass first. Do you make a prick of yourself when you meet folks in person?

The sarcasm and tone are setting off my BSometer. I was thinking that it smacked of yet another iteration of multichiko when lo, she replies to him in the middle of the night. could we check the IP?

eh, this isn't mari. this one doesn't even sound off the same whiny hippy alarms.

Yeah, mari's been on her best behavior since coming back. Think we should let things fester for a while and see how it plays out?

NG's IP address originates from iraq.centcom.mil. Nuff said

i had already looked him up and he is a soldier. i didn't really doubt that he was, or that he was where he said he was. i also didn't doubt that he is making himself known as an asshole. he is providing legitimacy to misguided individuals like TW that think enlisted men are just uneducated bullet sponges.

If he is in the U.S. military and stationed in Iraq, he's a traitor and a gutless coward among his other charming traits. I'd be more than happy to tell him that to his face, and if he was stupid enough to take a swing, I'd just knock his dick in the dirt.

It's a pretty good quote, though.

:corn:

At last something we agree upon. Go 3/3ACR! You guys stay safe and come home soon! Yea, armored cav! Yea, all you brave guys in the tank divisions! We love you!

**We now return you to your regularly scheduled wierdness**

Every time Radar opens his mouth, another Republican gets a vote.
 

My goodness what a wicked tongue on such a well educated Chick. Look Sister, I'm here. You're not. It's pretty easy to be tough on the Internet isn't it? Trembling with anger, furiously pumping out threats on the keyboard, all the while hunkered down beneath the soft glow of your monitor, music not too loud so you don't wake up your mother, feeling like a giant, eh, eh?
We got another Ooh, Ooh, uhhh, uhhhh, he's in the Army, uhh, uhh, so I'll call him a traitor, yeah, Ooh, Ooh, I'll tell him I'll kick his ass. Yeah, Ooh, Ooh.

Radar, Get out of the basement, go the gun shop, by the damn shotgun and a sleeping bag, put the bag in the tub, yourself in the bag so your folks don't have to clean up such a mess, and end your pathetic life.

You're Stupid, and other Genius quotes from the Dwellers
 

Lookout, read between the lines, Sister. That is the best you Dwellers can do? "Oooh, Oooh, call him stupid, and a bullet sponge. Ooh, Ooh, call him uneducated. Hmmm, what else do the Demoncrats do, hmmmmm. Ooh, call him a racist, yeah."

Keep it coming though. With people like you on the side of the Demoncrats the Conservatives or the Libertarians could put Screech from "Saved By the Bell" up for the next Presidential election and win. Good work, though. Seriously. You make my job of opening up people's eyes much easier.

Phoenix Online has produced another great future leader of America: Lumberjim.
 

[quote=lumberjim]i think at this point that the real topic of this thread is that NG is a dick. we've all already talked about immigration. I'm more interested in why this condescending fuck thinks it's ok to introduce himself ass first. Do you make a prick of yourself when you meet folks in person?

Great work! I see Phoenix Online has produced another great future leader of America.

Ooh ooh NICOTINEGUN said ooh ooh! Ooh ooh, he calls people Sister, ooh ooh.

I don't think the Dwellars have any reason to do their best with you. You're an amusing temporary diversion, suitable for occasional tweaking.

Nicotine...

I'm not here to insult you but to be serious. I did not completely read the topic but i read a few pages so correct me if i'm wrong.

It seems you hate immigrants from Mexico (I know the situation; I had a project on it in school a few years ago) because they are stealing the jobs from the common American inhabitants. But the problem is, in my point of view, that the world is one big lump of... well... earth, and we have all been put here as humans (whoever did that; great job...), all looking for a meaning in their life and trying to make it enjoyable. But if we keep seeing people from other countries as different species, cause that's what most of us are doing, we're not going to get very far. The world is one big country in my point of view and this might be an idealistic view but we should try to treat eachother that way.

Mexico is a poor country, at least most of the people life under bad circumstances. Their neighbours on the other hand, America, are very wealthy in many points of view. So how can you ever expect those poor Mexicans not to want going to America if the level of welfare there is so much higher as in their homeland. You can't blame them. At least I can't. We should all work together to make the world a better place and banning people from other countries out of your country isn't the way (in my point of view). It might seem like a great idea at first but over time it will only cause more problems as we see with the illegal immigrants.

Second, I think the foremost reason of being angry at the immigrants for the bad state of your own life is projection. Projecting your own unhappiness about the way things are going on a scarecrow, which in these case is the Mexican population. This is very primitive in my point of view.

If you take any of this as an insult; it wasn't meant that way.

Think about it...

:lol2:

very temporary. Like only until ng finds his way back into whatever echo chamber where he's accustomed to posting. Where he's accustomed to hearing the sound of his own voice and others in perfect harmony. That's the principal cause for his obvious unease here. We don't all think like him; we don't all think alike. Poor guy.

Monkey, If I had poop I would be throwing it at you.
 

Are all of you drinking the same Koolaid? Or is this more of a cult thing? Someone, anyone, just give me this: explain what this mystic thing the Cellar is all about.
Is it a debate site? Is it a place for people to just hang out and chat? Seriously, what is the fucking deal here? This site was recommended to me specifically for the profound and meaningful discussion (no I'm not kidding.)
I get "dickhead, asshole, Nazi, I'll kick your ass, you're stupid, etc, etc." You people want to rumble or what? Are you all friends? Is this a social club? Please, explain it to me. Maybe I got the wrong idea about this place. Let me know, People. "Throw me a friggin bone here, People. I'm the boss. I need the info."

And since I'm one of the Family now, Radar enough with the private emails of you on the horse with the thing on your.....and the stuff on your ....I'm not interested.

Did you not spend any time reading and getting a feel for The Cellar before you whipped out your pepe and started hosing it around? You've come on almost as big an ass in your first week on the board as I've seen so far. Dial it down, listen for a bit, and perhaps you'll discover what The Cellar is and why everyone thinks you are a twit right now.

I'm brand new here and even I am bothered with the statements you make. You asked why? Well... I saw you didn't even took the time to read my last post on this topic where I explained in my best words why I think your vision is closed-minded. Take time to read it and you'll at least know why I think you've acted like a fool. I can't speak for the others 'cause i've only been here since... today.

The Cellar is about you get what you give - kind of like life. When I first got on this board, I immediently jumped into a huge argument with everyone. That's what happens if you show up with an attitude and an unorthodox outlook. If you stick around, you may learn about the ignore feature and also begin to figure out that if you start calling people names, you'd better be prepared to get called names right back.

If you are going to take an extreme position, at the very least do it with wit and maybe even a couple of back-up cites for your opinion. Trying to bludgeon people over the head with insults will win you few adherents to your cause. If you look back over a thread and realize that you were being a whiney hippy or a belligerent soldier of fortune, it doesn't hurt to admit to this and make some sort of minimalist apology.

People here will actually sometimes respond intelligently if you post intelligently. They may very intelligently feed your personal sacred cow to the slaughterhouse, too.
:idea: :flamer: :mecry:

:cool:

YesYes.Yes, no, sort of. If you mean, in real life, some are some aren't.Yes.And maybe I've got the wrong idea about you. I've known perfectly nice people before who had trouble interacting with people.
I'm not surprised. That's really what sets this place apart. However, it's a give and take. You've gotta give meaningful discussion to get it. Looking back at your post history, it looks like you started OK (though dangerously, with a poem), got wobbly with the blaming of PC on Clinton, and fell over when you got in a pissing match with Radar.

Pissing matches are for advanced Dwellars only.

Again with the insults... :rolleyes: Short answer: you reap what you sow.

Well, why don't you ask the person who made the recommendation? We're not hiding anything here, we haven't become something different in your presence than what we were before (and after, I reckon). We know *squat* about you, save what you've posted and we've read in the past couple of days. You're being treated accordingly.

You apparently know *squat* about us, too. But that simply can not be because you have so little to go on. More than 8000 threads and 20 times that number of posts and you've read how much? And from what you've read, how does it compare with the tenor of the discussions of which you've been a part? I see no inconsistency.

So if the profound and meaningful discussions aren't floating your boat, maybe you should consider the source of the recommendation. Maybe you've been punked! I would make the same recommendation, I have made the same recommendation, but only to people who would "get it". You have a lot of control over whether or not you're in that group. It's a self selecting group; are you in or are you out?

<--wonders if NG has razor blades on his thumbnails

maybe if we stop feeding him he'll go away. It worked for that puny, mangy mutt that was hanging around my house last month.
What was this thread about anyway?

Urbane Guerrilla?

It’s called deadpan humor. Once you get them to smile, then slide them into a crematorium.

Don't make him go away. The one benifit he has for me is that all this makes me feel better about the first time I entered the Cellar. Changing my member name after 15 or so posts, you would've thought I was the biggest assclown on the planet. I guess it can be worse. Thanks NIC.

The problem NIC is that you come across as combative right out of the chute. Before you get to know anyone, expose your personality to anyone here, you come across as angry and looking for a fight. People tend to forget that just because this is all done online and not in person, that social rules do not apply. It's like if you walked into a room full of people you hadn't met before, and before you even introduced yourself, you announced, "What dipshit here believes we ought to close the borders." You don't know who your talking to. You dont know what race the people here are.

wow, NG - once again you've managed to skim through a post, pull out only one sentence, filter it through your delusions and go off on a tangent because you missed the point of the post. good job.

Pffffffft! Lookout, he thinks you're a democrat! Damn, boy, I always knowed you wuz really a closet Liberal! :lol:

ah, hell - i'm a little a this and a little a that. that is what happens when you think all the parties are the devil's concubines.

Bored, Confused, Spiteful, Homesick, Mostly Bored
 

With the Mexico thing, I don't hate the people. I am angry with the fact that tax payers money paves their way. I wanted to get a feel for what others think about the situation. The fact is, I talk about it with people here and they don't have a clue as to what it costs our nation. It's very aggrivating.
I know if we all met in a room without having any idea who anyone was not one of you would ever guess I was the Gun. I'm sure I would never guess who Radar was, or even Lookout. I'm not the Devil. I'm bored out of my fucking mind. I miss my family. I am profoundly upset with the way things are going in America and it seems the only way to wake people up is to make them mad as hell.
I am looking for the possibility of creating real solutions to the problems at hand. We need change. We won't have it until enough people get together and do something about it. Obviously, you guys don't feel the same about the immigration problem as I do.
As far as citing my sources, I'm not one to make up information and put it out into the ozone for all to read. If I write something that is fiction, you will know by the tone of the piece. I'm not a Hippy by any means. The hippy culture had the right idea with loving people, but soon realized they needed money and the system to survive. I'm all for treating everyone the same. I don't care if you are gay, straight, black, white, Christian, Muslim, tall, short, green, have two heads, or even if you are Democrat. What pisses me off though, is when things are shoveled down my throat, like paying for other's way.
Additionally, some of the stuff you people say makes me laugh my ass off. Lumberjim wrote up a serious little ditti for me and then added "don't forget to eat a dick." That's funny. I'll drop the razorblades, Brother, but please give me something interesting to talk about-I deal with data all day. I deal with desert camo ALLLLLLL DAY. I want intelligent conversation. Don't take everything I say to heart. Of course I don't want Radar to climb into the tub and shoot himself. I don't know him at all.
Anyway, I'm here to stay. If I can't get anything meaningful to talk about in the real world, I'm going to find it anywhere I can.
Have a great day, People.

Lumberjim
 

Should I begin with the enormous one on top of your shoulders and then use the one between your legs as a toothpick?

Thanks for the laugh.

and that statement right there is what we are talking about. you obviously haven't spent much time browsing through old posts because if you had you would realize there are a number of us who are extremely concerned about illegal immigration. what makes the cellar different than most boards is that, for the most part, we try to avoid pissing on each other's shoes while discussing issues. insults out. rational post in. your condescension is what ignited the little shitstorm around you.

something to keep in mind in the cellar (and life, general): no matter how smart, good, educated, funny you think you are, someone in here is more of those things. that is life. stick around awhile, quit trying to talk down to people and you may just realize that there is a lot of knowledge traded in the cellar.

ok. for someone who profeses to be so well educated and smart......that's twice that you've replied to my signature line. do you see the little line down there? everything after it is a signature. if you're not sure, look at another of my posts...it'll be the same.

the razorblades on the thumbs thing is a reference for this hoser that visited for a brief time. take the time to read that thread.

I am not a part of this thread at all, but I wanted to butt in and thank lumberjim for the link to one of the funniest things I have seen on this forum yet!

That "Rich" guy was too much!! lolololol freakin' unbelievable!

welcome to the cellar seakdivers. Check out Lily if you want to read up on another funny troll.

Capn - I just did...... where do these people come from? Oh well, they're good for a laugh I guess. :)

Hey, you know what? You are not alone. Many of us are mad as hell about various things. I have typed through fire storms that I myself mostly created on this board because I was so filled with rage. Take it from one who has been there - rage does not get your message across. It will get everyone else angry, though - at YOU!

See, as Lookout already pointed out, there's your problem. You are jumping in here cold and making assumptions about our opinions that you simply don't have enough information on to assume anything about. Mistaking Lookout for a Democrat is a whopper. He may hold some views which are congruent with that of the Democratic party, but if so, this is the first I've heard of it. So, voting for social spending, now, Lookout? Save the whales? Say, how about all those spics you keep inviting over the border to come share your home in Phoenix?

NG, if you don't make assumptions about us, chances are most of us will return the favor and not make assumptions about you.

Follow your bliss on the cites thing, NG. I'm a former librarian and college teacher, so I can get a bit prissy that way. I'm sure that every single word you post is God's honest truth as you understand it, but for those of us who were off chasing butterflies or something while the word from on high was handed down, its incredibly helpful to be pointed toward the reliable source from which you derived your opinion.

The hippy thing was not aimed at you, but rather my own little acknowledgement of a nice barb directed at me from Lookout. Yes, I suppose that I must seem like a whiney hippy at times, just as you have come off as a soldier of fortune whacko. I suspect that we each are far more than the sum of the epithets that others throw at us. ;)

Soooooo, did you see the game last night?

I'm not a troll. Maybe a dwarf, but not a troll. I have hair on my feet like a hobbit, but I'm more dwarfish, maybe husky is the word? I'm a husky dwarf, but not a troll by any means. It's 2 a.m. here. I have duty in 2 hours I couldn't sleep and I'm in the Cellar with you people. So fuck it. Lets get off the topic and start a new one.

welcome to the Cellar NG.
Semper Fi.....................

ThreadHiJackMan is out today due to a lack of gas to run his Vespa.


So....

Might I suggest that instead of spending so much time arguing here in CE or the Politics sexshun, that you submit more of your creative works, assuming that you have more.

I dont know if this was posted yet...

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...obbs0828.html#

I regret having to bring this thread up again, but one of the people covering Katrina cleanup efforts showed film of busloads of hispanic immigrants being BROUGHT IN from North Carolina by one retailer, to clean up his facilities! If this is not the absolute utmost, preposterous, non-PC joke yet! 68,000 people out of work in the area so he imports immigrants.

If interviewed, would he have said, as did Mexican President Vicente Fox, that this is work that he can't even find blacks who would take it?

Well, they are paying below the prevailing wage....

Yeah, Bush suspended the Davis-Bacon Act. :(

Illegally, apparently.

The underlying political agenda implied in this and so many previous posts is why I have less respect for extremist Democrats and Republicans. If the logic behind this post was correct, then FEMA should never have brought in their own people. Instead FEMA should have employeed the displaced locals.

No job can be performed without training. Even unskilled labor requires training to what must be cleaned in a store, how cleaning is done, with what, and how each person works within the team. Do I go around seeking the original workers in LA and MS who are long gone, scattered, cannot be contacted, etc? Of course not. For the benefit of society in MS and LA, my store must be cleaned and operating yesterday. I bring in organized, equipped, ready, and willing to work people from NC who already know how to clean my stores. I get them in. I support them. I get my store cleaned and working. And then I get my employees home to NC.

That picture, misrepresented as people stealing jobs, is instead how a centrist does things - how someone who 'comes from where the work gets done' solves the Katrina disaster. And not by throwing money at it like George Jr. proposed in his last speech.

Notice a #1 point here. Management with a plan. Notice there is no throwing money at a problem. Money is used here as a scapel - get people in who can do the job, provide people who are properly equipped, get the job done, and then get them back home. Nothing from any Democratic or Republican political agenda should ever appear in this 'can do' solution.

Meanwhile, to mention immigration and border problems in this 'can do' solution is nothing more than political extremist rhetoric. For example, any discussion about drug smuggling without first endorsing the realities even expressed in the movie "Traffic" is simply another example of why political agendas (not the drug dealers) are the #1 problem. Even the immigration problem is directly traceable to those who refuse to admit why immigrants must come here - legally or illegally.

All of which is irrelevant to what that store needs done now to advance mankind in LA and MS. Those pictures, when put into proper perspective, demonstrate what 'can do' people, unimpeded by FEMA lawyer top management, do to help the victims in LA and MS.

Sorry. I have no respect for the Democratic and Republican extremist rhetoric - reasoning justified by political agendas - that underlies some previous posts in this thread.

Why must they come here. :question: