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Happy Monkey 11-08-2004 08:26 AM

Dr. Phil's specialty is telling people obvious things...

garnet 11-08-2004 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar
Beestie is a he. And you have no business calling anyone on racism, even if they are a proud member of the KKK. It's not your place to take anyone to task on their beliefs or opinions. Beestie has his, I have mine, you have yours.

I will challenge anyone who makes racist statements. Maybe you think the KKK is just fine and dandy, but I will get in the face of anyone who stereotypes others based on nationality, skin color, religion, etc. (Which is exactly what you and Beestie both did). I find it extremely offensive, and I will call you on it every time. Don't like it? Too bad.

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar
Why is it that you want me to stop posting (as one of your replies demanded) and stop reading posts?

You have an interesting way of embellishing and misquoting others. Please quote exactly where I "demanded" anything of you.


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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar
Actually, I disliked Brianna's post for 3 reasons: (1) I'm British. (2) As I replied to her, more than just Americans read this board and it was very disrespectful for her to post that.

So, it's OK to slam the French but not the British? Don't you think that perhaps there might be someone out there in cyberspace who is French and is offended by your comments? (just as you were offended by Brianna's comments). You and Beestie are being just as "disrespectful" as she is.


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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar
If she didn't have something to contribute, which she apperantly didn't, because she didn't post anything else, she shouldn't have posted at all.

That's funny. So now you're "demanding" that Brianna shouldn't post? Isn't that exactly what you criticized ME for saying? Silly.

Beestie 11-08-2004 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey
Dr. Phil's specialty is telling people obvious things...

Dr. Phil's specialty is taking complex situations and boxing them up into little greeting card sayings that don't even begin to address the issue much less offer any insight into it.

Thanks for trying to help but [*holding nose*] "...that dog won't hunt." ;)

Undertoad 11-08-2004 09:25 AM

Nitpick: it's not really racism if they are the same race as you.

Happy Monkey 11-08-2004 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Beestie
Dr. Phil's specialty is taking complex situations and boxing them up into little greeting card sayings that don't even begin to address the issue much less offer any insight into it.

That's what I said. :)
Telling people obvious things doesn't help them, because they already know it.

OnyxCougar 11-08-2004 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by garnet
I will challenge anyone who makes racist statements. Maybe you think the KKK is just fine and dandy, but I will get in the face of anyone who stereotypes others based on nationality, skin color, religion, etc. (Which is exactly what you and Beestie both did). I find it extremely offensive, and I will call you on it every time. Don't like it? Too bad.

My, my you are confrontational this morning.

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You have an interesting way of embellishing and misquoting others. Please quote exactly where I "demanded" anything of you.
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you shouldn't post here.
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don't read my posts.
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don't ever go back there
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stay home and keep your bad American manners to yourself.
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So, it's OK to slam the French but not the British? Don't you think that perhaps there might be someone out there in cyberspace who is French and is offended by your comments? (just as you were offended by Brianna's comments). You and Beestie are being just as "disrespectful" as she is.
I wasn't offended. I disliked it. And if someone French wants to step up and say something, obviously they can.

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That's funny. So now you're "demanding" that Brianna shouldn't post? Isn't that exactly what you criticized ME for saying? Silly.
Did I tell Brianna not to post? I think I said, "if she didn't have anything to say, she shouldn't have posted. I never said "Don't post." Like you told me.

Keep trying, though. I'm having fun!!!

garnet 11-08-2004 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar
I'm having fun!!!

Congratulations. I'm glad you find slamming other cultures, sleazily quoting people out of context and arguing ad nauseum to be enjoyable. I'm personally bored with it, and I'm sure everyone else reading this thread is, too. Hey, it's lunch time. I think I'll go have a nice glass of French wine in your honor.

OnyxCougar 11-08-2004 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sycamore
So...we shouldn't take anyone to task on their beliefs or their opinions? Onyx, are you serious?

Take anyone to task? No. Disagree with? Discuss? Absolutely. "Taking people to task" means (to me) to berate, belittle, "yell" at, etc. So no, we shouldn't take anyone to task for their opinions.

There are ways to express your differing opinions other than calling people names, insulting them, demand they stop posting, stop reading posts, ad nauseum.

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I've heard a lot of good about the French and a lot of bad about the French. I imagine that they're not much different than us--arrogant and asinine. The ones I've met were rather nice. Generalizing and stereotyping only perpetuates problems among various groups.
I generally agree. :)

OnyxCougar 11-08-2004 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by garnet
Congratulations. I'm glad you find slamming other cultures, sleazily quoting people out of context and arguing ad nauseum to be enjoyable. I'm personally bored with it, and I'm sure everyone else reading this thread is, too. Hey, it's lunch time. I think I'll go have a nice glass of French wine in your honor.

No, I'm having fun pushing your buttons. And I haven't slammed other cultures, I stated I dislike the French. I enjoy most other cultures. :) And I do enjoy arguing. But really, this wasn't a very good one. And I didn't take things out of context. You asked me to quote where you demanded things, and I did. *shrug* I'm not sure where "sleazily" is an appropriate adjective, but then, since you drink French wine, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

It's been a pleasure. :)

marichiko 11-08-2004 12:33 PM

Et tu Brutus?
 
From another site:

"I have never,ever, heard a Canadian say anything of the sort.
I've heard nothing but praise and admiration for the U.S. Maybe I used to stretch the truth a little before I immigrated, but thanks to the absolute honesty I was taught before I swore the Oath of Allegiance, I am now a real straight arrow.
May God strike me dead if this is not tge tr-----AAAAAUuuuugh!---------"

:D

garnet 11-08-2004 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar
You asked me to quote where you demanded things, and I did. *shrug* I'm not sure where "sleazily" is an appropriate adjective, but then, since you drink French wine, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

No, you didn't exactly "quote" me, you took small fragments of sentences and pasted them together, leaving out the first part of the thought in every case. That, in my opinion, qualifies as sleazy. But hey, desperate people tend to do desperate things.

And I'm not surprised you wouldn't drink French wine--Boone's Farm and Thunderbird seem to be more your style.

OnyxCougar 11-08-2004 12:43 PM

Actually, I don't drink at all. Nice try, though.

Beestie 11-08-2004 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by garnet
And I'm not surprised you wouldn't drink French wine--Boone's Farm and Thunderbird seem to be more your style.

Are you positive you're not French?
:p

garnet 11-08-2004 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie
Are you positive you're not French?
:p

Humor isn't your stong point, sweetheart. You've proven that to us several times before.

Hey, there's another thread that seems to be slamming the French--why don't you and your friend OnyxCougar go contribute some of your genius to that? We're all waiting to be informed and inspired by you both.

wolf 11-08-2004 01:05 PM

Won't eat meat, works for PETA, loves the French ...

I'm just not sure why she keeps coming back ...

garnet 11-08-2004 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf
Won't eat meat, works for PETA, loves the French ...

I'm just not sure why she keeps coming back ...

Because I annoy the shit out of know-it-alls like you, sweetie. :3eye:

wolf 11-08-2004 01:15 PM

I'm not your sweetie, babe, honey, or otherwise. And I don't find you annoying, just sad.

garnet 11-08-2004 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf
I'm not your sweetie, babe, honey, or otherwise. And I don't find you annoying, just sad.

Hmmm, and I care what you think...WHY?

I believe I told you this when I first started posting, but apparently all that fat and meat in your diet has affected your short-term memory. I don't care what you think, you don't scare me, and much as you like to pretend, you DON'T know everything. Almost every post you make is full of pretentious "witticisms," and for some reason you think everyone should kiss your ass for it. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

So I'm sure I'll get a barrage of hate mail from your little friends here on the Cellar saying how great you are. Save it people, I could care less. Wolf CHOSE to go on the attack on me in this case, and, I assume, she knew what was coming. So save your time and go rip on the French in her other thread.

jaguar 11-08-2004 01:47 PM

This thread needs a group hug.

Beestie 11-08-2004 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by garnet
Humor isn't your stong point, sweetheart. You've proven that to us several times before.

Hey, there's another thread that seems to be slamming the French--why don't you and your friend OnyxCougar go contribute some of your genius to that? We're all waiting to be informed and inspired by you both.

And what genius have you contributed to this thread other than proving that you don't even understand what racism is? You appoint yourself as a thought policeman and expect everyone to be intimidated by your manufactured, self-important windbag of outrage? Unfortunately for you, your self-importance ends at the end of your nose and what you know about French culture and the people of France wouldn't fill George Bush's vocabulary reserve.

And as far as my humor (or lack thereof) is concerned, it wasn't meant for you.

garnet 11-08-2004 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie
and what you know about French culture and the people of France wouldn't fill George Bush's vocabulary reserve.

And your knowledge of French culture seems to be only that they are all "assholes" who you "despise." That was brilliant and enlightening for us all.

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Originally Posted by Beestie
And as far as my humor (or lack thereof) is concerned, it wasn't meant for you.

Well whomever it was meant for, I'm sure they didn't find it funny, either :3eye:

Clodfobble 11-08-2004 02:00 PM

Garnet, can I ask you a question? I'm not attacking, or attempting to put you on the defensive in any way--I'm just trying to understand your outlook here.

Can you definitively say that you like anyone here? Anyone you would consider a friend in a loose sense of the word?

garnet 11-08-2004 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble
Garnet, can I ask you a question? I'm not attacking, or attempting to put you on the defensive in any way--I'm just trying to understand your outlook here.

Can you definitively say that you like anyone here? Anyone you would consider a friend in a loose sense of the word?

I like Brianna and Marichiko (mostly because of PMs we've sent back and forth), Cyber Wolf is also very cool. Although I don't know them other than from their posts, I admire and respect many of the posts made by Jaguar, Radar, TW, UT, DanaC and even Bruce on occasion (many others, too).

Happy Monkey 11-08-2004 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar
This thread needs a group hug.

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

marichiko 11-08-2004 02:32 PM

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From the "Insult Thread":

EVERYBODY CHILL OUT!

elSicomoro 11-08-2004 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar
"Taking people to task" means (to me) to berate, belittle, "yell" at, etc.

Fair enough...I didn't think you were THAT much of a crackhead. :)

russotto 11-08-2004 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf
Won't eat meat, works for PETA, loves the French ...

I'm just not sure why she keeps coming back ...

Masochism?

(Someone pass me some more steak and freedom fries...)

wolf 11-09-2004 02:15 AM

I'm still trying to figure out why we should fawn over a culture that thinks Jerry Lewis and mimes are funny.

marichiko 11-09-2004 05:56 PM

We don't have to fawn all over anybody, Wolf. Making an attempt to understand would be nice, however. So the French are stuck up. Are we going to make things any better by being nasty in return? I doubt it.

Elspode 11-09-2004 09:31 PM

I don't know about anyone else, but shouldn't the US lodge a formal protest over all that French meddling in the Ivory Coast? It only seems fair.

Cyber Wolf 11-10-2004 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Elspode
I don't know about anyone else, but shouldn't the US lodge a formal protest over all that French meddling in the Ivory Coast? It only seems fair.

By formal protest, do you mean an offical yet ineffective statement saying "I don't like what you're doing over there." or do you mean an offical yet statement authorizing the invasion of the Ivory Coast to Free The People from their Oppressive French Regime?

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Originally Posted by garnet
Cyber Wolf is also very cool...

Awww, now I feel all warm and fuzzy inside :D

jaguar 11-10-2004 11:01 AM

Elspode, they're there are the head of a sanctioned UN mission. Are you suggesting the US lodge a formal potest to the UN over a UN mission it supported?

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On 29 February 2004 the UN Security Council has agreed to send a peacekeeping force of more than 6,000 troops to Cote d'Ivoire to supervise the disarmament of rebel forces and presidential elections due in October 2005. The council voted unanimously in favour of creating the new peacekeeping force on Friday after the United States dropped its earlier opposition to the proposal. The UN Operation in Cote d’Ivoire (UNOCI) formally came into existence on April 4 for an initial period of 12 months. It replaced the existing UN mission in Cote d’Ivoire, known by its French acronym MINUCI, which included a handful of military liaison officers.

France made clear that its 4,000 troops in Cote d’Ivoire would not become part of the UN peacekeeping force, numbering itself 6,000 UN troops.

OnyxCougar 11-10-2004 12:04 PM

While I read the article Syc posted, I still don't understand something.

If the Ivory Coast is a completely independant nation, why are the French compelled to send troops in? Because IC was a former colony? I didn't read in the article where the president of IC called up the French president and said, "Hey, help us out here." It wasn't even implied. So I'm still confused.

Elspode 11-10-2004 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar
Elspode, they're there are the head of a sanctioned UN mission. Are you suggesting the US lodge a formal potest to the UN over a UN mission it supported?

Sure, why not? The French and the UN disagreed with us over Iraq, shouldn't we then disagree with them over this little dustup? Isn't that how international politics is supposed to work these days?

Note: I'm not making any judgements about right or wrong in either incursion. I'm just saying crap for the pure hell of it.

jaguar 11-10-2004 02:18 PM

Yes, you are, it's fairly clear. OC - the french troops are there as part of a UN mandated peacekeeping force between rebels and the government who in theory are in peace talks.

russotto 11-10-2004 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar
Yes, you are, it's fairly clear. OC - the french troops are there as part of a UN mandated peacekeeping force between rebels and the government who in theory are in peace talks.

Err, no:
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France made clear that its 4,000 troops in Cote d’Ivoire would not become part of the UN peacekeeping force, numbering itself 6,000 UN troops.

jaguar 11-10-2004 02:33 PM

hm, I can't read tonight. Not good.

Elspode 11-10-2004 06:22 PM

Does that mean that I'm going to get un-condescended to? :)

No, probably not...after all, I did say I was just shit-talking.

Happy Monkey 11-16-2004 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Beestie
I do find it interesting, tho, that a renegade Republican [Tom DeLay] (who, btw, I despise) makes a remark about putting God in the public square and that trumps all the issues that I had to go to the article you cited and highlight myself.

More on the "renegade" Tom DeLay: House Republicans are planning to change the rules to allow DeLay to remain in his leadership position, even if he is indicted in Texas.


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