I tend to agree. look at what happens when you swear off of sex for the catholic church. you become a closet homopedophile.

what, you think it's a coincedence?

I see no need to separate the two.;)

Stop the motherfucking presses ... I'm agreeing with jaguar on something ...

Insightful work, young glasshoppel.

I am moderately bemused but mostly annoyed that it's only the men here who are claiming the 'physical need' aspect. It's a physical need for women too! I go mad if I don't have sex for any length of time. Really, I start humping furniture and stuff. And the occasional cucumber. So, 'get laid', you say, 'it's easy, you're a woman'. OK so if I walked into a bar and offered my 'services' no doubt there would be many takers. But that I would want to give to? No! Women are more discriminative and don't want sex with just anyone. They would feel cheap, or used. The only way to combat this is to shack up with a dude who spends lots of money on you so you feel expensive, and then turn him down for sex so you don't feel used.

I think sex as a physical need may be valid but I dont think it sits alongside sustenance and air on the hierachy of needs. Lots and lots of people live without sex a lot of the time. Lots and lots of people live a celibate life ( for a variety of reasons) now I wouldnt like to lay any claims totheir state of mind, but I really seriously doubt that it would kill them. Got no food? ....Starve to death. Got no air? ....suffocate. Got no sexual partner? ......be severely frustrated or learn how to satisfy yourself:P

Nor do I think that just applies to women. I just think it distresses most men more than most women to have to go long periods without sexual release.

To 'live' without 'sex' is a paradox. You cannot have one without the other.

Catwoman stalks off in self-satisfied manner to go and fornicate

*Chuckles* I have lived with and without. In fact it must be coming on for two years since I got laid :P Cant say as it particularly bothers me. I certainly have no intention of going looking for a new partner. Do I miss it? Sometimes. Sometimes not depending on my mood and where in the month I am :P
And I didnt, by the way, say that no sex is better than bland sex, I said no sex is better than bad sex.

Truth is, everybody's libido is different. Some people really need that release other people dont. I enjoyed it when had it. ( my ex and I used to play some pretty wild games let me tell ya) but I cant say it's something I "crave" these days. Maybe I will at some future time. Right now I am too busy revelling in the freedom of not being attached to want to make any new connections. I have never been attracted to casual sex.

2 years!!! Wow. I mean, I don't want to make a point of it, but bloody hell! I don't think I've ever gone longer than a couple of months. But I guess I've been lucky, I've either been in a relationship, or, now I'm finally single, have always had an obliging 'friend' or acquaintance to remove the casual element. You've made me think though, is it the sex I can't do without or the connection? I have a suspicion it's the latter.



edited to say: What utter bollocks. Of course it's the sex.

Fucks off, slightly pensively, to jump into bed with housemate

thought the ground was cold today wolf ;)

Cat and Dana got me to thinking, and I guess I've never gone more than a month or two without sex, myself. The thing is, nobody could make the comment that they've gone a month or two without food. They wouldn't be around to make the statement! I still think its a bizarre comparison, though. However, the best sex I ever had was far more enjoyable than the very best meal I ever had, so on that level, I suppose I could say that sex is better than food.

I strongly disagree with Radar saying that a woman could just walk into a bar and crook her little finger and get all the sex she wants. In theory, true enough. I could also walk into a bar with a semi-automatic and kill most of the people in the place. It is possible to do that. But in each example, there would be many unpleasant consequences.

Our culture still holds women to a certain standard. A woman who is willing to just have casual sex with anyone she meets is considered a 'ho. A man who does that is considered a "manly man" who is one lucky SOB, and his buddies all slap him on the back for his prowness.

Most men have little respect for a woman they consider an "easy lay," and such a woman often looses respect for herself thanks to society's attitudes in this regard. Society forces women to wear cultural "chasity belts" while men are free to pursue their sexuality as they please.

I noticed that too, but attributed it to the Philadelphia Flyers playing brilliantly last night.

(interesting side note: I watched bits of the game during a county disaster drill. I was in the spooky underground confines of the Emergency Operations Center. VERY cool place to be, especially given the scenario of a WMD incident at a local mall (anyone who lives near King of Prussia, that's what was going on last night) ... There are apparently going to be additional stages to the drill in other parts of the Phila area today.)

Utterly and completely false.

Men have much more respect for women who don't confuse sex and love. If a guy can find a girl who likes to hang around, watch sports, and give an occasional BJ to him and his buddies with no emotional attachment, so much the better.

Women mistakenly think that men think less of women who have lots of sex without emotional attachment or commitment. We like them and respect them more than the other girls.

"Society" doesn't force anyone to do anything. Most of the attitudes mentioned above are created and perpetuated by women, not men.

errrr. Right. marichiko is, as usual on the money. It's an ironic situation in many ways (if either sex is built for lots of casual sex, it sure ain't men) it certainly exists in most parts of the world if not all. Radar of course doesn't really inhabit this world.

I was wondering about that. He seems to have been raised in some strange world of the future that has very different behavioral rules from modern society, but without the aircars and silver jumpsuits that we've been promised since childhood as signs that the future is now.

I love how women try to tell a man how men think and whom we respect. It's hilarious.

I'm an authority on the subject. You are not. Women can have sex anytime they want. Men can not. Not even Brad Pitt can walk into a bar, snap his fingers, and have any woman in the bar. But even an average looking woman with no money can.

Jaguar is, as usual, completely full of shit.

I live right here on earth, and what I'm saying is a reality in this world right now. You're just blind to it.

Wait a sec! what is your definition of sex? is it either:

1) the release of psychological sexual desires through any erotic action (i.e. sex, masturbation, etc.)

or

2) actual sex with a partner required. ?

Masturbation is to sex as a snack is to a meal. A snack can tide you over for a bit, but eventually you're going to want a meal. And even if you make a few meals out of putting a lot of snacks together, it's not nutritionally sound and won't really satisfy your urge to eat a real meal. For instance let's say you are stranded on an island and the only thing to eat is coconuts. Coconuts don't really have all the vitamins you need, or other nutrients, but they can stop you from feeling hungry temporarily. If you go long enough with just eating coconuts, you'll get sick and die though.

Just to clarify, that was the bit where the what-the-fuck-o-meter blew up. Yea like, on the most shallow of levels. A quick fuck. Respect? Huh?

I'm a man, I'm telling you and I'm not alone, here or in normal society. I respect (and go for) intelligent, creative, vivacious women who have enough respect for themselves to choose thier sexual partners entirely on their own terms. Certainly not some trash doing round-robin blowjobs while the football match is on.

If anyone isn't convinced radar isn't entirely disconnected from reality, check the implication in the below quote.

You're not a man. You're a pussy. And you aren't even in the same neighborhood as "normal society" so give it up.

You're a typical pussified wimp denying what's real because you want to play up the "sensitive guy" angle. Give it a rest. You are all that is wrong in the world.

Do you deny that a diet of only coconuts would eventually lead to death? Ever heard of scurvy? rickets? or any number of other diseases that malnourished people get?

*laughs. Ah! Gold. God you're like a bull shown red, I knew I'd get the 'you're not a man' line as soon as I wrote that. Cute, if predictable. Of course, anyone that wants more from a woman than hot dinner on the table when they get home from that oh-so-tiring-quit-bothering-me-to-do-anything-but-watch-tv-when-I-get-home 9-5 job, the house clean and blowjobs for all their buddies is a pussified wimp. I get it now.

Barefoot and pregnant, that's the motto of Real Men like radar. The 50s called, they want their social norm back.

Oh and before you fly off the handle, look up the work implication.

We're not talking about wives retard. We're talking about people trying to get laid. But of course you're above getting laid since you're the "I'm a sensitive man who genuinely cares about your feelings and I'll respect you in the morning because I genuinely care about you as a person (but I'm really lying to get laid)" kind of guy.

You are a pussy. You're a pansy assed little queer who forgot how to be a man. You were most likely raised by a single woman or had a very domineering mother.

I don't know of a single guy who wants them to be barefoot or pregnant. They want them with shoes on and taking birth control so as soon as they're done getting laid they can use those shoes to walk away and we'll never get a phone call asking for child support.

And don't worry, I don't "fly off the handle". My discussions are always logical, intelligent, and reasonable.

Everything I've said is true for the vast majority of people. Are there particular exceptions? Yes, but they are the exception not the rule and are therefore irrelevant to this discussion.

Young men want to get laid and have a good time without making some sort of emotional commitment. That's what we're talking about. Women can and often do have these kind of one night stands but don't talk about them for fear of being thought of as a "slut". But they don't realize that most men don't care if they're a slut, or would actually prefer it.

We're not talking about those trying to settle down. We're talking about those who want to get laid. Believe it or not, you can do one without the other.

And nobody on earth has yet proven that men gain anything by being married. (And don't be so stupid as to bring up a wealthy woman and a poor guy because that's almost never the case and we're talking about MOST cases, not exceptions)


THINGS A MAN CAN HAVE WITHOUT BEING MARRIED

Sex
Companionship
Children
Love
Houskeeping
Life Long Commitment
etc.

THINGS A MAN CAN ONLY HAVE BY BEING MARRIED

?


THINGS A MAN RISKS BY BEING MARRIED (if things don't work out)

Losing half of everything he's ever earned before he even met her
Paying vaginamony through the nose for years
Losing his house
Credit messed up

Why did you get married Radar? And how is your relationship with your mother, if I may ask?

You're really aren't the brightest candle on the cake are you.

If, and lets face it, in your case, it's a pretty big one - you read what I said, properly, there is nothing in there (phew ;)) that precludes the wonderful one night stand, fuck buddies or anything else for that matter. But hey, it was a big if, you couldn't even follow the word implication.

Not really sure where marriage came into the discussion either, I've got no intentions of going anywhere near it. Out of question, considering you're sour as verjuice about the whole institution, why did you get married for a second time?

Ok, now we've cleared that up. You know you've said and made up some pretty amusing stuff over time but that was the best in-one-post juxtoposition I've seen yet. Every time your rants start looking a tad hackneyed (and more than a tad impuissant) you manage to pull another rabbit out of the hat.

Sorry to everyone else for turning an otherwise perfectly good thread into another forum for my ongoing spat with Radar, even if it is occasionally rather amusing.

Freud is in the house ;)

Radar, you put "children" under "Things a Man Can Have Without Being Married."

While this is biologically true, reality would dictate that you put "Children he gets to see every day and doesn't have to pay child support for" under "Things a Man Can Only Have By Being Married."

Is that a reasonable answer to your question (what do men get out of marriage?), or do you deny that some men want to have children in the non-visitation sense?

Because I love this woman, I'm ready to settle down, and because there was no other way to bring her to America. If there were, I'd have done it.

And the relationship with the mother is fine.

You could fuck up a wet dream. You can't help yourself. You've got to come in and screw up decent discussions with your ignorance, and bitterness. You are an idiot. I seriously mean that. You are so stupid, you're on the virge of competing in the special olympics.

My assessment of you... "You are a pussy. You're a pansy assed little queer who forgot how to be a man." is accurate, logical, intelligent, and reasonable. You've proven yourself to be all of the above and then some.

That's wholly inaccurate.

A man can have children he gets to see everyday and doesn't pay child support for even without being married. He can have a child with his girlfriend who happens to live with him and see his child everyday. And he can even have custody of that child if they split up. A man is every bit as loving, caring, and able to care for a child as a woman.

I think RADAR is originally from Gor

I like the militant atheist thing. My friend has a bumper sticker that says, "Militant Agnostic - I don't know and neither do you!"

A man can have children he gets to see everyday and doesn't pay child support for even without being married. He can have a child with his girlfriend who happens to live with him and see his child everyday. And he can even have custody of that child if they split up. A man is every bit as loving, caring, and able to care for a child as a woman.

Believe me, I am well aware that a man is more than capable of caring for a child. But in most courts, unless the mother is cooperating, or shown to have a criminal record, the man will not get custody. Shall we say it happens about as often as a man walks into a bar and immediately finds someone willing to have sex with him?

I will grant you that if his girlfriend is willing to simply live with him and have children, it is possible. But you know that's not the norm, otherwise you wouldn't be bitching about women so much. And the girlfriend has total control in that situation--he risks having to pay child support and never see the kid again should she choose to leave, just as much as the married man risks losing half of everything and paying alimony the rest of his life.

*the congregation shouts: AMEN!* ;)

For instance, I have a friend who has rarely been without a man in her life. Basically, she has some issues to resolve, so that could be it, but she has been known by some to be a 'ho. Of course, she doesn't think so, she's just...well...a very loving person. :D However, I've known plenty of men like that, and they are either "dogs" or "playas". Hmph! :mad:

Accurate, logical, intelligent and reasonable...........All the words that immediately spring to mind when reading your post RADAR......

Thanks Dana, it's nice to see someone who recognizes my better qualities. ;)

Hard not to.....'s kind of shining right out off've the screen......Maybe.....Maybe all this time what I really needed was a Real Man.....

Well Dana, you wouldn't be the first or the last. I know what I'm talking about because I wasted years trying to be a "nice guy". I made every mistake in the book. Women say they want a nice guy, but while they're young and wild and horny, they don't want a nice guy. They want a one night stand with the drummer of a rock band. They want to be bent over, slapped on the ass, and driven home by a bad-ass with a bad attitude. It's only after they've been hurt by one of these guys, or they get old enough that they are tired of the wild sex and want to trade it in for stability that they go for nice guys.

There was a study released last week confirming this. It said that women would rather marry nice guys but find really good looking and muscular men to be intimidating, and far more sexy.

Nice guys only get the women after they've been used, and abused, and worn out. It's like riding a 15 year old Mercedes. Once it was a great ride, but everyone else already had a ride. Now that it's old and tired, and its days of riding fast and furious are over, the nice guy gets it.

I thought you guys liked and respected women who had slept around? You are confusing me.

*smiles* Onyx...come on....dont tell me you arent drawn to RADAR's masculinity and innate charm? You know he can please a woman like no other man , it oozes out of every one of his posts...

Do nothing but eat and make good cheer, And thank Heaven for the merry year
When flesh is cheap and females dear, And lusty lads roam here and there So merrily, And ever among so merrily!

- a spring song

:blunt:

Sure, pal, you're looking for the "zipless fuck" and you're delighted if you ever come across it. Would you want to marry this woman who hangs out giving head to you and your pals? Let me ask you something else. Is this how you imagine your future bride is spending her time while waiting to get married to you? Hanging around with the boys, talking about football, and giving blow jobs to anyone who wants one?

You want the convenience of sleeping with who ever might be available at the time without having to worry about any possible emotional entanglements. Your ideal "woman" is actually a man with a vagina. Get real.

I just read your reply to Dana:

I couldn't agree more with Dana's comment. Your words hardly sound like you're filled with respect for the woman who has had a lot of sexual experience. And what "study" are you quoting? And how the hell can you think you have the faintest idea of what women want?

You bet, women find good looking, muscular men to be turn-ons. Of course, you more discriminating, male types could care less if a woman has big tits and a nice ass. Its all the same to you. And naturally, every man alive is so self confident that when a drop-dead beautiful woman walks into the room, he doesn't feel in the least intimidated at the thought of winning her over to do blow jobs for him and his buddies.

The trouble with the "nice guys finish last theory" is that it's usually put forth by self described "nice guys" who in reality are jerks that no woman in her right mind would put up with.

I don't claim to be Don Juan, but I know how to get laid every night of the week. I did so before choosing my wife.

You can deny what I'm saying all you like, but every single thing I've said works in real life. Women (at least young women) love assholes and won't give nice guys the time of day. They call nice guys their "friends" which means "I'm not going to have sex with you, but I'll tell you about all the sex I'm having with bikers or rock band members"

There was a study released last week confirming this. It said that women would rather marry nice guys but find really good looking and muscular men to be intimidating, and far more sexy.

Nice guys only get the women after they've been used, and abused, and worn out. It's like riding a 15 year old Mercedes. Once it was a great ride, but everyone else already had a ride. Now that it's old and tired, and its days of riding fast and furious are over, the nice guy gets it.

Ah. But you believe the opposite isn't true? The wild young man won't go for the ditzy slut over the nice girl (even the one willing to put out) any day of the week--until he grows up, just like the woman, and realizes there's more to companionship than just sex?

Everyone grows up at some point Radar, and making mistakes is hardly exclusively a female attribute. I'm sorry some women abused you when you both were younger, but one would think that NOW would be the time you would want to stay a nice guy, now that everyone's older and wiser.

Again, we're not talking about marriage, we're talking about having a good time. No I wouldn't marry her. Does that mean I don't respect her? Not at all.

Frankly, I don't know what she did or who she did it with and I don't care. I just know she's with me now and we love each other.

Watch the movie "Something about Mary". That's the kind of girl I'm talking about. She doesn't have to be a porn star that blows me and all my friends, but she should be as horny as a guy, have no hangups about having sex, and not expect a call the next day. They should think of sex as a fun thing to do and not attach emotion to it like some naive school girl. There are a lot of women like this right here in America. I've known a few.

The women you marry and the women you have sex with aren't necessarily the same type of women. And hopefully they never find out about each other! j/k

The women you marry and the women you have sex with aren't necessarily the same type of women. And hopefully they never find out about each other! j/k

That sounds like exactly what the chick who only goes for the biker assholes would say.

That was fucking hilarious Marichiko. Hit me at just the right time.

Game, set, and match, Radar. Concede defeat while your still coherent.

That made me chuckle some :D

Bruce would definitely be my guy of choice. If I was stuck on a desert island with only Radar, I'd satisfy myself while having fantasies about Bruce!:D

Oh dear me *wipes tear from eye* Goddamn marichiko you are a funny bugger you really are

Thank you, Ma'am, and I've noticed your own posts add a definite touch of class to the various debates that go on around here.:beer:

This is starting to sound like a concept for the next installment of Survivor!

............OK......who do you put on the Island? Pick 5 cellarites

Too late.
As for Radar's 'study', dont hold your breath, it probably comes from the same place as some of his amazing statistics (Did you know only 1% of marraiges in Vietnam are not for love?) and other amazing facts (Friedman never backed down over monetarism, I've never been to Vietnam).

marichiko gets the thread merit award ;)

The rampant feminism around here appalls me.

Seriously, all you women just need to lighten up a little. It's pretty clear Radar's joking.

Unfortunately he is not.

I think he's joking, because these comments, along with most of the rest of the thread, are the exact sort of thing I'd come up if I wanted to satirize the feminist movement, masculinity, etc.

Though, I'd probably be more blatant about it.

See that's the thing. radar does indeed look like a perfect parody of himself (a paragon of parody? ;)) but our experience with his er....unique (or maybe not, sadly) or at least unusual perception of the world is indeed he real position. Kinda scary eh?

Keep in mind some of this guy's other brilliant suggestions include disbanding the Federal Reserve, the FCC and the FDA.

Radar, oh Radar, wherefore art thou Radar?
I haveth for so many years
Longeth for a man with intellect like yours
With the truest passion to speak his mindeth
That all women should really stay indoors
And giveth of their mouths to thine compatriots.

I yearn for a manfolk
Less concerned with sensitivity
And more inclined to giveth thine respect
To an unholy cock sucking harlot like me
Radar, oh Radar, can I be your floozy?
Just for a day, I asketh no more
Than to sit and glean from thee
Thy experience, taste, respect and football predictions
While collecting thine spunk
In my lusting begging lips
That can only dream of such a man as thee.