You're right. Don't appoint someone who has a background in wildlife management, particularly hunting (the primary wildlife management tool nationwide). He wouldn't know nearly as much about the topic as, say, someone with a background in English Lit.

Or is it the fact that he kills animals? In that case, a PETA member would be appropriate. Their leader is on record as saying that in a perfect world, they would be able to breed out the carnivorous tendencies of animals such as wolves and mountain lions so that all creatures could live in harmony.

Maybe it should be someone with no opinion whatsoever in regard to hunting. They could approach wildlife management with a fresh eye. ("What's that, some kind of cow?" "No, sir, that's a pronghorn" "Do they bite?" "Not usually, sir.")

I need to go eat some meat. bbl.

mrnoodle. you actually made me chuckle with that one.

That's a good article. Thanks for the link.

Pure FUD. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Glad you refreshed this sad but true thread. How much longer is this fucking administration?

If ever you had a single doubt about what this administrations sole purpose for existence was, this should clear it up.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

The guy was giving the F to government scientists, and creating UD for the administration to use.

Appreciate who Philip A. Cooney is. He is a lawyer. He has no science education. His degree is in economics. He is therefore qualified to rewrite science papers for the George Jr administration. No wonder First Energy (that is also run by a lawyer and created the East Coast blackout) could have a Three Mile Island problem in Davis Bessie, arrange a $450,000 fund raiser for Bush Cheney, and not shutdown as two nuclear reactors were force to (for human safety reasons). Oh. And when they finally did shutdown for refueling, there was this hole through 6 inches of carbon steel. Had the Three Mile Island problem occurred, there was no containment vessel to prevent 60 pounds per square inch of exploding radioactive gas from visiting Toledo.

Ahh but these are numbers and science. The George Jr administration knows better. They have a lawyer. Money would have fixed Toledo. With God and lawyers, clearly the administration cannot be wrong. No wonder George Jr need not even read his PDBs.

So which science will be canceled this month so that a man can scratch the moon looking for water? Clearly global warming cannot be averted. (It says so in the bible?) This from the same man who repeatedly drilled for oil and never found any - but got rich anyway. Where is the morality in the new science - and intelligent design?

Well, I can't find a cite online for this story, but going from my memory of a radio story I heard a little while ago, Philip A. Cooney has "resigned". The stated reason is that he had been wanting to spend the summer with his family. The administration denies that the resignation has anything to do with this week's story that we've been discussing.

I find this sequence of events too neat and tidy to believe. It seems that the revelation of his actions, editing scientific documents, without the training to produce the report, but "producing" the conclusions, the public face, was embarassing to the administration. See you later, buddy.

For some reason this guy reminds me of Mitch Glazer , the midnight bill raider who went to work for the RIAA after rigging some legislation.

It will be interesting to see who Mr. Cooney is hired by after his summer vacation.

Sucks when the richest research community on Earth has its credibility tainted by a monkey in office and a bunch of religious wingnuts getting all uppity.

The only possible limits to research should be nondenominational ethical concerns.

And you creationists...I'm sorry, I'm a tolerant guy, but I giggle when you post ;-)

It seems clear to me that he never stopped working for The American Petroleum Institute. Not a joke.

And the answer is...:drumroll:ExxonMobil. It is worthy to note that he's been hired after a very short summer vacation with his family. All the same denials about his departure from the administration being unconnected to his tampering with scientific reports were repeated, but, quiet like. And then I also heard in the same story that the administration said that his edits didn't change anything. :smack:

This feels less like a hiring than it does a reassignment of duty station.

http://salon.com/news/feature/2005/0...sal/index.html
Great article from Salon about mercury in childhood vaccines that has been clearly, statistically linked to autism. Government officials seem more interested in protecting pharaceutical companies than kids. culture of life and all.

Oh, and importing drugs from Canada is a risk...
At least take the shit off the market. Geeze. parents beware.
So far, 4 states have banned thimerosal. Lots of other states with legislation pending.

More appropriately posted here.

He's a piece of work.

Vaccines and Autism
 

There have been other thimerosal-related studies which haven't shown a link, so this one isn't cut and dried. Personally, I think the link is there. I agree with the shield for the vaccine producers, though; if anyone should be on the hook here, it's the governments which require the vaccines.

The link between thimerosal and vaccines may not be 100% (Nothing in science is), but the link between Frist and the coverup and the "Eli Lilly Protection Act" certainly is. A proper political response to a risk like this is to remove the product from market pending further testing, not to hide the damning studies and ensure nobody is held responsible.

From Kennedy's article:

and this is disturbing, too.

If you don't see it close up you have no idea how disruptive having a child with autism can be. I could tell some scarey tales but we are very careful not to ever give out any personal information about our kids. One of my colleagues wrote a paper on the connection or lack of one last semester. She couldn't find a link but then again the CDC doesn't let researchers use their data. :mad: An interesting side note Don Imus has been on a bit of an autism rant for a while now. It seems the Wall Street Journal had an oddly timed and lie filled hit piece on his ranch which he attributes to giving air time to folks who are trying to prove the link. Also Kennedy was supposed to do the talk show circuit yesterday for this article which will also be in Rolling Stone. He was cancelled from the Today Show and some other booking...

It'll be interesting to see what Santorum does on this. He has been very supportive of autism research but he also knows how conservative nutball$ get elected in this country.

edit: oh yah, I've long wondered if the Chicoms would ever use their access to Americas kids(toys crayons cookware) to poison their future. It turns out thats may have been the unintended (I pray) result of the USAs third world vaccination program. How long have they known and how do CDC folks go from protecting to poisoning?

From 2000 to 2004, I worked at a sheltered workshop for adults with developmental disabilities. I have tremendous respect for these parents. I cannot imagine being in their shoes. I couldn't even imagine working with them eight hours a day! (I worked in administration). You see people organizing help and gathering support for parents of quintuplets, sextuplets, etc. That's wonderful and also needed, but parents of children with disabilities could always use some help, I'm sure. It's impossible for them to just be able to go out for dinner, or a movie or just to visit friends at times. And the parents of multiple birth babies eventually don't need any help. These parents can use a helping hand forever!
(And I always think...parents of multiple birth babies chose to do this! What if the help didn't come!?)

You are so right BH. Get to know these kids and help their parents out, the rewards can't be described.They really are a wonder. If you guys ever get the chance spend some time with them. I was warned about getting caught up in the autism world by a professor once. Being with these kids is really habit forming. My guys are so loving and bright at one moment and frustrating and violent the next that I really can't let go. I need to understand what's happening in their minds.

Here's a collection of fodder for this thread.

Global warming does not exist. Therefore the mental midget's administration is quietly killing off science projects that would discover what is happening on earth. Meanwhile we continue to fund what George Jr wants such as building an ISS that does no science, funding 'man to Mar' and 'man scratching for water on the moon' programs, liberating a nation that did not want to be liberated, and building military bases to liberate the next nation. Among science being terminated according to ABC News of 6 Mar 2006: And nobody thought levees would be breached. Sending a few C-130s demonstrated America's resolve to a few Tsunami victims. Fighter planes were never authorized to protect American buildings from hijacked airliners while a president flew around hiding somewhere in the mid west. But this president tells us his job is "Haaa..rrrrr..dddd". And yes that is a direct quote from the mental midget who could not even authorize the USS Bataan to rescue people in nearby New Orleans.

How does one spell impeachment? Oh. That means Cheney would be president. He already is. Even the Three Stoogers could not write a comedy this perverse. Nobody expected a Spanish Inquisition. Or is the screwing of America also called "Mission Accomplished".

Dude...the easiest, quickest and cheapest way of proving that there are no serious problems on Earth is to simply avoid trying to find them. No data? No problem.

If satellite and space guys want to get something done, they need to get the funding pipelines flowing and develop something to *sell* to someone. Research costs money unless it results in a consumer product, and right now, no one in Washington can see past the bulging wallet of the nearest lobbyist standing in the receiving line.

As a corollary to Patrick's post, If you have already decided there is NO problem, why spend money on a non existent wild goose chase? In addition, if you already know that you are not going to spend a penny on the hypothetical wild goose, even if it was discovered, why bother? The Bushco Gang has managed to stash enough ill gotten gain so that they and their grandchildren will be insulated from any goose dropings in the event such things exist. The rest of you - you're on your own!

PS You make pick up your cooked goose on aisle 7. Please form a single line and proceed in an orderly fashion. There's plenty of cooked geese for everyone.

Stupid me. I forgot. Research, education, innovation, and knowledge are expenses. The only purpose of mankind is profits. How could I have forgotten what they taught me in business school?

The business model has changed. It now is only applicable to people who already have money. Besides, anyone can get filthy, stinking rich in this country. Ask Rush Limbaugh...I just heard him say it on the radio this morning. And you know, since he's such an incredible doofus, yet has managed to avoid prison for breaking laws that he would gladly see other people put away for breaking, and still has a pile of cash...I am almost inclined to believe that that old saw is still true. Know what to kiss and when and for how long, and you, too, can become wealthy by pandering to those with money.

Even a newborn knows enough to suck the teat that has the milk. ;)

Tw, post #85 demonstrates that you are only half bright, in contrast to your much more intelligent work on post #106 in another thread. Whether this is unfortunate or not I will leave to the audience; I suppose such halfbrightness comes of being too much the whore for the Left. You could be better than you are, but you don't want to be. No more comprehensible than it is good, and I sneer at it.

Well, except for the "Stoogers" in there, it seemed coherent to me.

I'll see your sneer and raise you a smirk (with furrowed brow).

He can write a coherent sentence -- but he has no notion of copyediting and spells only somewhat better than Meriwether Lewis. He desperately wants to be thought of as sage, but the form of his works prevents him being taken seriously -- even as sage brush.

Cum grano -- enough of them to salt pork.

CBS 60 Minutes literally put documents on screen complete with White House changes. Science is now taken to the White House for approval. Laywers rewrite science per the party line. No, I did not say Kremlin. Different party. 60 Minutes displayed smoking gun evidence.

I delayed citing this - another classic example of a White House that is so anti-American as to impose politics on science - in hope that others would see and cite this report. Why so much silence? When does science need approval from politicians? When reality does not agree with that political party's agenda.

From 60 Minutes of 19 Mar 2006: No sense in quoting the TV report further. Little in the report is new - other than the editted documents themselves. Smoking gun prove that the White House perverts science for a political agenda.

Demonstrated repeatedly are how lawyer types - those who represent political agendas rather than facts - literally pervert science. They change whole meanings of sentences. They literally throw out whole pages that only lawyers would not like. This is the new American science where even Spontaneous Reproduction can be proven if it provides a political purpose.

Meanwhile, CBS News could not interview Hansen without a NASA (political) employee sitting in the room. Just like the Communist Party when a party official also had to be present for every interview. No wonder all those satellite programs on earth studies got canceled - see this report from ABC News . They might discover the party science is wrong. That would only be a waste of money better spent on iraq.

I watched that story and it was damning indeed. Putting a lawyer in charge of scientific decisions.... :headshake

But I secretly enjoyed knowing the Cellar had determined the basic problem a year before 60 Minutes.

Where do you think they get their ideas?

If the facts weren't so biased against him, Bush wouldn't have to do this. Smegging facts.

We offered many perspectives ... including one that is proving correct.

It's called Project for a New American Century. It's called the bible. And it's called party loyalty - America be damned. The last sentence defined a term called "anti-American".

Dude, she means 60 minutes.

Shhhhh, he's on a role.;)

From the NY Times of 26 Apr 2006: The United States had long since lost leadership in unmanned launching, in part, because politics rather than science created the Space Shuttle. Most all productive science is in unmanned space operations. World leader in launching is the French - Arlene series. Russians also provide in increasing share of reliable launching. The US has recovered some business with a Boeing launch system from a ship in the Pacific. But American space budget is politically driven by 'man in space' mostly for political pride rather than for science and the advancement of mankind.

As noted in other threads, ISS does no science. That $8billion project - that has now cost more than $80billion - does no science AND requires constant maintenance by humans using a fleet of manned transport systems.

NASA has a severe problem. No manned launch vehicles for four years to keep ISS in orbit. Again, Russia will provide the only reliable, necessary, and useful solution: Soyuz spacecraft. An Apollo like craft that does manned transport more reliably, at less cost, with many useful features the Space Shuttle cannot provide such as an emergency escape system for the ISS.

NASA budget is mostly spent on a manned space program that do near zero science. Virtually all science occurs in a minor part of NASA's budget - that now may be cut further for 'less productive, higher cost, and politically hyped' operations. These same operations somehow distorted into national security. Posted previously are numerous basic earth science research and weather forecasting programs that will be canceled:
Perverting science for politics

Is this because George Jr's administration fears realities of global warming? Or only because his legacy justifies a man on Mars? Either way, advancement of mankind is not his agenda. Even Mars Rovers had difficulty getting additional financing when the Rovers performed long beyond what was expected. Mars Rovers do science - without presidential glory. Man on Mars is for the greater glory of a president - who desperately craves a legacy like Kennedy. Does he fear we will instead remember that George Jr condemned Hubble Space Telescope - the most successful science project in NASA's history. We should.

I wonder if modern governments are even capable of launching and sustaining a project like sending a man to Mars. Political climates change too quickly, and in the end no politician is going to choose scientific advancement over the future of his party.
Any thoughts as to whether we'll see the most significant progress made by global corporations?

Someone needs to take the Warren Zevon off of Bush's playlist, it's giving him ideas...Though, slightly off topic... Am I the only one who thinks tw spends all his free time on far-left news sites and websites trying to find more news to post here in the cellar to make fun of the mental midget george jr with?

I doubt it. The stuff he gathers comes from mainstream sources.

FYI...
http://www.junkscience.com/

well, okay, maybe not far-left, but I still think he spends his days waiting for more anti-right news to post here.

It's not his fault that facts are anti-right. ;)

You are missing my point, I'm saying he spends all day looking for the stuff, an... Oh, never mind. Yeesh.

No, I get your point. The man posts encyclopedias.

tw is not anti-right, he's anti-MBA.

Anti-MBA???

The invention of the MBA is how people who know nothing about what a company makes can be hired as management in that company. Because they know "how to manage", ya know.

I read a wide variety of information sources for a short period every day. But as noted (did you read this previous post?), since Katrina, stuff is now coming in waves. Patriots everywhere are leaking facts since it is obvious this president does not work for America.

Identified are, for example, three parties: Democrats, Republicans, and Communist. Party loyalists all have one thing in common. They all work first and foremost for the party; America and mankind be damned - secondary. Such party loyal politicians even lie by hiding behind flag pins and waving flags. Where is 'left or right' in that?

Current administration is a classic example of worst management. Ironic he is also an MBA. As Cheney says, “Reagan proved deficits don't matter.” Why do you think they spend money like drunken sailors? To advance America? Of course not. Like drunken sailors, they only have a personal agenda - everyone else be damned. America is leaching money everywhere. Did you read: a $2.4 billion no-bid contract without performance guarantees? Who do you think got that contract? There is no left or right. There are now reams of examples of anti-American management in government.

Only a fool would not see information coming in waves. Some science publications now have an article addressing the president's perversion of science in every issue. How could a decent American no see that obvious fact - and stay silent? Where did that criticism of Rumsfeld in Project for New American Century come from? Read long ago - and now relevant. Where were you when Billy Kristol, et al made those statements? When the subject arose, this example was just sitting their – glaring – waiting to be cited. Meanwhile, did you even know who one author is? Do you so hate America as to not read what Bill Kristol has been saying for a long time? One need not search everyday for what should be common knowledge. Do you know that Bill Kristol is a founding member of PNAC - as was Rumsfeld? The significance of what was written so long ago is damning – and now significant. You don’t like reality? Sorry. Reality that glaring was just begging to be cited here.

Have I posted enough facts to demonstrate this president incompetent – that his administration perverts science for a political agenda? It was called tenacity. Somehow, you have instead taken an emotional response to reams of leaks because of an incompetent president. Why do we not have enough facts? 30+% of Americans are actually in denial. Nothing about left or right. It is about Americans so driven by a party’s political agenda – Democrat, Republican, or Communist – as to not work for America. There are good Americans and then there are political loyalists - extremists - more interested in a political agenda.

tw, I agree with all but the most extreme of your views, I was just saying it seems like you have no life, from all the (as Happy Monkey put it) encyclopedias you post. Nothing personal, dude, it's actually very interesting, you're like my own personal newsfeed almost, I was just commenting.

As an engineer-in-training I hold no love for MBA students, trust me. I can't believe people don't understand why we're falling behind China and India(not to mention Japan) in the technology race when our country pays people with a basic MBA more that our phD researchers. OF COURSE we're not going to be able to attract as many bright young students into the sciences, all the money and prestige is in business.

Reefer madness in the Economist.

If a Marinol high isn't what they want, then real weed isn't for them either. :confused:

That is not accurate at all, a very high percentage of people cannot take Marinol... it makes them very nauseous, oddly enough. I am one of them. I have read that the percentage is as high as 40%.
However, they can take marijuana just fine and have great effects.
Put a little bud on a cracker with some cheese, microwave it for a bit, it helps to activate the THC somehow, and eat it... the effects last much longer and you don't get the negative effects of the smoke.
You just have to keep the cracker down... otherwise you need to try to get an atomizer or large water-pipe to have less impurities and tar if you just can't keep the cracker down.
Another thing most don't know is that if you are in chronic pain you do not normally get "high". Your body is producing cannoids naturally and just uses the extra in the fight against muscle spasms and nerve damage. There are a lot of cannoids in mother's milk to help with the rapid growth of infants, such growth is painful.
BTW, I made plans for just such a large water pipe that takes three trays of ice cubes and a gallon of water. It cuts the amount of product you need to help with your pain in half if you are smoking. I made in in college for a friend who had asthma who was killing himself with smoking the stuff. As an added bonus it saved him a great deal of money in saved marijuana because he needed much less with the pipe. PM me and I will e-mail you the specs.

So if a drug company can synthesize it and make a profit off of it, it can be legal. But if anyone could grow it in their garden and use it, then it should be illegal. I still don't understand why libertarians never made more noise about the drug war.

Heck, why stop at marijuana? Why not ban willow bark (aspirin)?