Right you are xoxoxoBruce, thus the asterisk and the debateable comment. But that would be a whole other discussion now wouldn't it? ;) Just trying to stay somewhere close to the topic at hand. :)

Hear hear!

Personally, I'd eat anything, dog, dolphin, or human. But I've long since learned that people don't want to listen to someone like me, so I'll stay out of this.

I think it is an uncommon but not hypocritical or self-contradictory to hold that human concern for an individual animal is what gives that animal value "worth" in the sense of whether it's ok to kill it or not.

That said, I think Dolphins are high enough up the intellgence and uniqueness chain that their killing on a large scale should give us pause. (I have a moral sense that uses "non-trivial uniqueness" as a rough measure of a creatures value, what the universe loses when that life is snuffed out. It sounds a little cold, but actually is a pretty morally defensible position I think.)

ummmm...ducks....

Okay, ducks:

http://www.tribalcog.com/ecard/china...ks_kunming.jpg

Translation: Since I have no counter-point to his points, I'll ignore them and pretend they don't exist. Just like you pretend it's OK because they raise cattle. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

Quzah.

Since I was responding to YOUR post, at the time it was the topic at hand. But since this thread has wandered all over the map just what the hell is the topic at hand now?
Japs wholesale killing of dolphins?
Japs eating dolphins?
Anybody eating any critters?
Raising vs hunting critters
Eating dumb vs smart critters?
Eating apples vs oranges?:p

You folks should be ashamed of yourselves. Those are obviously sharks...

Intelligent?
 

If they are so intelligent, why are they so easily confused? Why aren't they pounding on the boats confusing the people?

Of course, Hermit. Any critter that engages in recreational sex, has to be intelligent. ;)

      This coming from a mimber of a species that you can give a small percentage of seizures by flashing lights at them? Dude, the problem lies with a flaw in the sense, it's like hitting us with a bright light so we can't see. In fact, the line doesn't say it confuses the dolphin, it says it confuses it's sense of direction.
      I think a better question would be, "If dolphins are so intelligent why do they take drowning humans to shore rather than waiting around at beaches to drag dolphin eating humans to the bottom?"

      Actually, dogs that have been abandoned or escaped domestication somehow will kill for sport. This in no way invalidates Dave's point. I just wanted to point out that animals aren't beyond human corruption. Go us.

Coolness ... little salt, little pepper, little orange glaze and we are good to go. I'll fire up the grill. Fire roasted duck!

That'd be free range fire-roasted ducks, of course.

That actually sounds very inviting. Alas, I'm vegan (well, I do eat honey) so I'll have to pass.

BTW, before you call me a PETA freak, it's for MY health, NOT the animals.


GBA

DNK

Mm ... peking duck. I ate an assload of that in Toronto a few weeks back. It's a real pain in the ass to make though - have to make sure the duck dries out really well, otherwise it doesn't get crispy.

GO to chinese restaurants with ducks hanging in the window (and where you can't understand anyone) - chances are those ducks are better cooked than in places where they cheat by just deep-frying it to crisp the outside.

Slaughtering dolphins to chinese food ... interesting digression.

Just like the dolphins in Japan.

Absolutely.

Because then it must be OK. :p

Be careful. Wouldn't want anyone to think you CARE about animals. :cool:

I just wanted to clarify. I think a lot of people here DO care about animals, and it is OK to say it. People go about the "caring" part in different ways, too. Having differences of opinion about it and being able to discuss it is cool.

The truth is, though I could go on a lot of other boards, tell them (I think) eating meat is wrong and just get flamed for it. Because a lot of people are just stupid and don't want to think about it. I appreciate that people here aren't afraid to discuss it openly. Now, I'll shut up before someone says, "group hug!" :3eye:

OK has NOTHING to do with laws. That's what I was trying to say. Maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say?

Apples and oranges? I wasn't making a comparison, and I don't want to drag out the "apples and oranges" discussion anyway, because it's been run into the ground already.

Ground apples and oranges with cranberrys is scrumptious.;)

      Bet it would make a great garnish for a nice plate of dolphin.

Welcome to The Cellar. See "Thread Piracy".

It's a well-established tradition.

Did someone mention "chinese food"? (drool)

I like ground cherries. And fresh ground coffee. :D

Well, I guess I did come off as pretty harsh. Didn't mean to sound that way. Its just that ever Vegan I know is a crazy animal freak that is a raging liberal. I guess I was trying to shun this association rather than being an animal lover. In fact, my wife and I have taken in three strays in the last 6 months, but that's coming around to bite me in the ass to the tune of $1500.00. I'd get into that but it's totally off topic, which everyone is diligent on doing. You know, staying on topic. Maybe I'll create a new thread to tell my story if there is interest.


GBA

DNK

If they use enough MSG and/or sauce, it makes little difference what the meat is. The important things are that it comes in the little folded paper box and they deliver.

Another case of honest entrepreneurs being dogged by the authorities.

Sorry. Forgot the [sarcasm] [/tongue in cheek] tags.

That's unsanitary regardless of the meat in question.

I'd love to hear about it.

(I hate PETA too, but for different reasons than most people. Maybe I'll start a thread about that someday.)

Okay, I noodle it out. It'll have to wait til next week since I go to court on it tomorrow (Friday). Wish me luck..


GBA

DNK

Why use another thread [you know you won't] when you've already started on this one!?

I used to really dislike subject drift in the threads on the Cellar, and I tried to sketch out another forum which would avoid the problem, but that died. I'm much more nonchalant about it now, and hey! it's fun!

Maybe someone (with an exorbinant excess of free time) should sift and index the Cellar.

Heh, heh, heh, funny.:haha:
I've eaten in Chinese resturants all over the place and noticed everywhere, the Chinese people that come in don't use a menu and get food that I've never seen served to non Chinese. Maybe the canine carcasses were for special requests.

aside-I was in Madrid one night with a Chinese engineer doing some sightseeing. Neither of us spoke Spanish and our interpreter (an engineer from South America) had taken off to visit friends. We found a Chinese resturant that had menus in Spanish and English so I told him what I wanted in English. He told the waiter what I wanted in Mandarin and the waiter told the cook in Cantonese. We paid in Spanish and tiped them with dollars.:)

chinese food
 

I had Chinese food in a German restaurant the other day.

....and two hours later, I was hungry for power.

Ok. You started it. That reminds me of this one:

I was in Edinburgh Scotland on business. I was meeting Russian software engineers and the first night we went to a French restaurant. When the Russians ordered beer, they got Budweiser.

And I grew up in St. Louis.

But was it AB's Budweiser or Budvar's Budweiser (made in the Czech republic)?

(Whereabouts in St. Louis, dar? Or perhaps the more appropriate question to ask...where did you go to high school? :) )

It was the real Anheiser brew. The waitress described it to the Russians as "a light American lager" IIRC.

I went to Bayless High - a really small district tucked in between Afton, Mehlville, and Lindbergh.

[beer snob]Budweiser Budvar is the REAL Budweiser. The weak, watery concoction that MAY be based on a recipe stolen from the fine czech brewmasters is unworthy of being considered "beer" in any practical sense.[/beer snob]

Mass production American Beer is like making love in a canoe.

IT'S FUCKING CLOSE TO WATER

-LIVE FROM THE HOLLYWOOD BOWL MONTY PYTHON

Those poor little dolphins! My life is dolphins I love them so much. How can they do such a thing!:(

      Do what? Kill the dolphins? With something sharp by the looks of the water. Eat the dolphins, just going with the stereotype, but with rice I'd imagine. Oh, and Soy Sauce.

The same you eat beef and make Hindus cringe, I would imagine.

Could be. [shrugs] I don't drink beer, so I have no opinion. Nice pun though.

Ok. I've held off as long as I could, but I can't help myself. This is a portion of "Carrot Juice is Murder" by Arrogant Worms

Listen up brothers and sisters come hear my desperate tale
I speak of our friends of nature trapped in the dirt like a jail
Vegetables live in oppression, served on our tables each night
This killing of veggies is madness, I say we take up the fight
Salads are only for murderers, coleslaw's a fascist regime
Don't think that they don't have feelings, just cause a radish can't scream

Chorus:
I've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream, scream, scream)
Watching their skins being peeled (having their insides revealed)
Grated and steamed with no mercy (burning off calories)
How do you think that feels (bet it hurts really bad)
Carrot juice constitutes murder (and that's a real crime)
Greenhouses prisons for slaves (let my vegetables go)
It's time to stop all this gardening (it's dirty as hell)
Let's call a spade a spade (is a spade is a spade is a spade)

You can read the rest of the lyrics here:

Carrot Juice is Murder

What's wrong with love in a canoe? I like it.:)

I know it well. An ex-fiance of mine graduated from there in '95. I believe a cousin of mine goes there now. And my parents live near there, in the city.

(As far as myself, DuBourg, '94)