I'm sorry. That was uncalled for.

It's good in soup too.

I'm going to learn this song one day, because it is so fucking funny...I would, in fact, be happy to post it in my webspace and send you guys the link if you'd like to hear it.


"Carrot Juice is Murder" by The Arrogant Worms

listen up brothers and sisters come hear my desperate tale
i speak of our friends of nature trapped in the dirt like a jail
vegetables live in oppression, served on our tables each night
this killing of veggies is madness, i say we take up the fight
salads are only for murderers, coleslaw's a fascist regime
don't think that they don't have feelings, just cause a radish can't scream

Chorus:
i've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream, scream, scream)
watching their skins being peeled (having their insides revealed)
grated and steamed with no mercy (burning off calories)
how do you think that feels (that it hurts really bad)
Carrot juice constitutes murder (and that's a real crime)
Greenhouses prisons for slaves (let my vegetables go)
it's time to stop all this gardening (it's dirty as hell)
let's call a spade a spade (is a spade is a spade is a spade)

I saw a man eating celery, so i beat him black and blue
if he ever touches a sprout again, i'll bite him clean in two
i'm a political prisonner, trapped in a windowless cage
cause i stopped the slaughter of turnips by killing five men in a rage
i told the judge when he sentenced me "this is my finest hour"
i'd kill those farmers again just to save one more cauliflower

Chorus

how low as people do we dare to stoop,
making young broccolis bleed in the soup
untie your beans, uncage your tomatoes
let potted plants free, don't mash that potato
oh spare the spud! Eat a cow instead!

I've heard the screams of the vegetables (scream, scream, scream)
watching their skins being peeled (fates in the stir-fry are sealed)
grated and steamed with no mercy (you fat gourmet slob)
how do you think that feels (leave them out in the field)
Carrot juice constitutes murder (V8's genocide)
greenhouses prisons for slaves (yes, your composts are graves)
it's time to stop all this gardening (take up macrame)
let's call a spade a spade
(is a spade, is a spade, is a spade, is a spade......)

Power to the peas! Give peas a chance!
all we are saying, is give peas a chance

OK, there was no particular hew and cry to hear this, but here it is anyway...

http://www.lunalushede.org/songs/Arr... Is Murder.mp3

It must be hard to walk with your ass on backwards.

So, the theory here is that eating veggies makes you stupid and lazy, right? Ok, so about those meat-only animals, they all should be incredibly smart right? No? You mean they eat shit too? Gee, so much for your stunning revelation.

To take this a step further, since humans are considered omnivores, carnivores then should be vastly superior intellectually. Unfortunately for your analogy, that just doesn't quite fit.

For example, wolves, not being unlike your common household dog, also tend to eat shit. Guess what? They're considered carnivores.

Just when you think you've heard every stupid analogy possible, someone comes up with a new one. People never cease to amaze me.

Quzah.

Apparently vegetarianism causes you to lose your sense of humor.

I never said anything about stupid and lazy, I said gorillas don't have very much energy because of the food they eat. Of course, that's because they <i>only</i> eat leaves. They eat their feces because the leaves are so hard to digest that they have to eat it several times to finish getting all the nutrients out of it.

Chimpanzees eat fruit and bugs (and sometimes hunt monkeys), and they're really hyper. So, I suppose a more varied vegetarian diet would be okay, but I was stretching the point for humor's sake.

Yeah, but what you don't say is that they only eat it if food is in short supply. That's what I'm saying. Animals who can't get sufficient nutrients from their normal diet find other ways to supplement it. How about just having a decent diet in the first place?

A filet mignon looks pretty smart to me. But, alas, if you add à la crème de champignon flambé au cognac it looks even smarter.

<scowl>
That's not funny.
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Blasphemy! It's eaten between hot wings to ease the burn. The Wingodome rules!

Would you STEAK your reputation on that?:D

You've never had a dog have you? How exactly does this differ from your shit eating monkies you were talking about? Ah, that's right, there is no difference. So the original point was?

Quzah.

Of course there's a difference. Scientists have no idea why dogs do it, but they do know why wolves and gorillas do it. You don't think it can be done for different reasons?

So you're saying that the only time monkies or wolves eat shit is because they're starving? This being the case, I don't really see how this makes them stupid, since they're doing it out of survival. That being said, I believe humans behave in similar fashion. For example, making your own water. The latter case is less extreme, but there are situations not unsimilar to eating shit, for example eating dirt. While Google isn't "the source of all undeniable proof", I have watched more than one show on PBS where in Africa, people eat dirt because they have nothing else to eat. I believe the explanation given was that they were just trying to get something into their stomache to ease the hunger.

So again, how does this make said plant eater stupid, when, according to you, they eat shit to survive?

Quzah.

Again, I never said anything about stupidity. Intelligence doesn't figure into my argument at all

I'm not sure what your point is with the links. Yes, people do crazy shit when they can't get proper nutrition. That's my entire point.

Also, gorillas are apes, not monkeys.

I eat meat because I want to, but hey this is America and I'll defend to the death your right to eat shit.;)

Well, I'm not sure what Juju and Quzah are arguing about, but is interesting. If Juju is trying to make a point about human nutrition, I'm sorry to say there is no nutrient in meat that humans need. Yes, it has protein, but protein deficiency is extremely rare in humans, and really only happens to someone when they are not getting enough calories (i.e. they have to be starving).

The only health problem that vegetarians tend to have, I believe is lethargy and depression that has been linked to a high carb/low fat diet (which is usually vegetarian, but not always). It has to do with excess carbs, not a lack of anything. But not all vegetarians eat this way. I myself eat a fairly high protein diet (rice and beans, fajitas from Chipotle etc), though I'm not sure it's good for me. (Excess protein is hard on the body, especially the kidneys).

So really, humans can get all the nutrients they need from plant foods, and I can't believe I have to say this, but I don't think any of us will be eating our own poo any time soon.
:D

The key word of that statement was "need", if I understand you. But food in more than need. For humans it's about family, social interaction and separates us from the critters.
Look at the sales of cook books, kitchen gagets, spices and tablecloths to name a very few. Much of our lives revolve around food and the social interaction. Having the boss over for dinner or taking a client out to lunch and the whole family for holiday meals are important. Too important for leaves and poo.:)

Uh, well I don't know about you, but I'm having my family over this weekend, and we are going to have a fajita cookout and then we are going to go out for Kurdish food the next day. Thanks for your concern though.


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