Children learn by the rote method. Repeating reality is necessary. Eventually you will grasp it - or grow up.

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And you shouldn't forget that it is also a money problem. I guess the costs of super surveillance is far too high considering the effect...
I'm always reminded about the first meeting btw Taylor Durden and the Narrator.
And then again : 22 deaths and 64 seriously injured... How many people die in the UK every year because they are neglected or forgotten, because they can't afford the medical care they need, of hunger, of drugs, because due to pressure and greed they can't respect basic security and safety instructions, or just by Murphy's Law, by drunken drivers or crime??? Guess how many children are born everyday already drug addicted because their mother was, how many children are chronically sick because their parents are smoking in their presence, how many children are indoctrinated by conspiracy theorists and bad cartoons, how many children are molested and bullied everyday and turn into monsters later on...
So terrorism was always present and if not then we were fighting wars. I think we are overrating terrorist attacks and should concentrate more on other problems...

You almost make it sound as though terrorist attacks are doing the British a favor by culling it's population.

You're correct.

I agree with you.

Relative to many other risks, risks I blithely undertake every day, harm or death from terrorism is almost impossibly unlikely.

The US had warned the Brits about this guy in January, not just as another suspect but a bad guy with a mission in the works.

Well they found a dandy way to get rid of him: let him blow himself up. Now they can devote the resources it would have taken to stop him to other causes. I'm sure the people of Manchester were on board with this luck of the draw approach as to where it might happen. After all, the odds were in their favor.

If you're not going to spend the money to fix all the problems, it makes sense to tackle the biggest hazards/killers in the country.
If that means none or little money to thwart terrorists, it won't be long before it climbs to the top of the charts... with a bullet.

Beeee good to each other!

Very nice, excellent, excellent.

Good covfefe.

BRITISH independent politician Janice Atkinson has demanded the United Kingdom reintroduce the death penalty — for suicide bombers. :rolleyes:

That's pretty dumb.

Who's going to get a bee tattoo?

Why thousands of people in Manchester are getting bee tattoos

If you do, don't have a crown tattooed over it. People would think you defected to France!

A couple of my cousins kids have had them done. Most of my extended family are in and around Manchester.

I was wondering abut those bees.

Now I know.

and now London :(

They could do like Chicago, have so many gangs killing so many people that terrorists are afraid to go there.

It's like Sundae left and the whole place went to hell.:(

No, no, no. The Mancs are getting a star-studded free concert out of their terrorist attack. Londoners want to get a free concert too.



Too soon?

I got the train over to Todmorden to see J yesterday. As I was boarding the train there was a message playing over the tannoy about what to do if you see anything suspicious.

Reminded me of the IRA days.

Like an IRA rollover.

Except they didn't.

You'd think someone would say enough is enough and put their foot down.

that's exactly how I felt. Remembering that we never needed to do fire drills for most of my high school years because there were so many bomb scares we had it down..... :(

Fuck you I'm Millwall.

Classic

Trump has right royally pissed off many Brits with his Twitter war against the Mayor of London. Seriously, not the fucking time, man.

Good on Roy.

My President is unhinged.

A reallygood speech from the Leader of the Opposition and candidate for PM, shortly after the Manchester bomb

Indeed.:devil:

"The Lion Of London Bridge"...That is awesome.

And fuck running. Away, I mean. Running away is right out.

If limpdicks like these three were torn to fucking pieces by the people they were trying to kill/terrorize and buried in a vat of bacon grease, this shit would calm down a bit.

The police response was incredibly fast. 8 minutes from the first 999 call to all three terrorists dead.

"Fuck you I'm Millwall" is awesome. For the first time ever. :lol:

...and I love the magazine touch

Eight minutes! A lot can happen in eight minutes. Run or become a sliced and diced celebrity! Yeah, no. I'll take the Texas solution.

Ok, lemme ask you, at what point do you run away? Four knives? Eleven? I'm not from Sparta. There probably is a number I think. Make them catch me.

Of course the circumstances matter. If I'm between the knives and my children, "Running away is right out."

A Millwall fan with a gun would be scary

Well, you get to tell St. Peter it took three/four/eleven of them to get ya.

I'm not sure I could live with myself if I ran. Then again, I don't got that much to live for anyway. May be the ol' fight-or-flight acting up.



~Ron White:lol2:

Running away is probably a better option given the potential for an attacker to have explosives on them.

Running away allows the police more space to do their job. They can't open fire on a terrorist if they're surrounded by civilians.

A little push back on the not running, I see.

Ya don't have to stand yer ground. You are perfectly free to be just another victim.

Myself, though, Ima die fighting back, thanks.

I think the general idea is to minimise the number of casualties as much as possible.

There may be circumstances where running isn't an option - or where by not running you might be able to help someone else, or slow down the attackers - but in general I think most people getting out of the way so the police can do their thing is probably a good idea.

The people who did fight back probably saved some others' lives, and they clearly slowed their progress which was no doubt a good thing - but I think it's probably also a good thing that it wasn't more people fighting them - because at that point, what's needed is a clear shot.

I see no problem, "You brought a knife to a gun fight? Fuck you, I'm an American!" :apistola:

You can't outrun an explosion any more than you can outrun a bullet. If you had said run to immediate cover that would stop a bullet or shrapnel, I could buy it. Most people don't have the presence of mind to do that. They just panic and run even if that makes the situation worse.

Taking out terrorists imbedded in a crowd is exactly what antiterrorist operatives are trained to do. The inadequate level of proficiency the typical police officer has to do that is why we reserve the right to do it ourselves.

I would say that the inadequacy of proficiency of the typical police officer is dwarfed by the inadequacy of the typical member of "ourselves" .

I think you've slyly changed definitions of "ourselves" in your post there. First you suggest the people who run are thoughtlessly increasing the hazard by running. Then by the end you say we, ourselves can do better. Which is it?

You can remove yourself from the immediate area (hopefully) and reduce the chances of being caught in the blast should that explosive belt go off.

Both. If you have time to run, you have time to counterattack. Running will be expected. Attackers can optimize their plans around it. Counterattack has the element of surprise. The best chance of minimizing casualties is with the latter . The exception is when facing overwhelming numbers. Then it's best to break contact by creating distance. That's a situation in which even a slim chance is better than none at all. When most people run: however, it's because they don't know how to do anything else. Most aren't inclined to learn either.

Those planning on using explosives don't generally tip their hand to give people a chance to run. It would be counter productive. Should it happen, be sure to post it in monster's Idiot of The Day thread.

That's a good point.

I would however point out that Londoners (and most major city dwellers) have been asked, and advised in the strongest terms, in the event of an incident: run, hide and tell. Get away from the centre of violence if you can. Take cover as best you can. Contact the emergency services asap.

If you watch the footage - much of that running away was not a panicked mob - some people were still carrying their drinks. Closer to where the violence was unfolding, there was more panic - but at that stage, what you have is a state of confusion of what the attack actually is - do they have guns, how many of them are there, is someone going to detonate explosives. So close to the Manchester bombing where a suicide bomber detonated his backpack in a crowd of people.



Well, there was a van packed to the gills with molatov cocktails and other goodies to which they clearly intended to return - and the people on the ground at the time would have been able to clearly see that the attackers were wearing what looked like belts of explosive canisters.

A former soldier might have enough experience of battlefield thinking to make a quick determination of whether that belt is likely to be a bluff in a particular situation, but your average civilian really isn't going to be able to make that call.

Who the fuck knows what is going on in the mind of the person wearing that belt - if it's a bomb belt, are they waiting for a signal/? Are they waiting to coordinate attacks? are they waiting until they are about to be captured so they can detonate it rather than be taken alive?

There are all sorts of reasons an attacker might not immediately detonate a bomb.

Since you clearly have no intention of fighting your attackers, you're just going to have to outsmart them (*shudder*). All British citizens shall have to wear fake explosive belts to confuse the terrorists. There's additional benefit in growing accustomed to seeing the belts. Citizens won't panic so they'll be better able to run, hide and tell.

I do hope you realize "run, hide and tell" feeds terrorists' egos. You have to psych them out by saying "execute tactical withdrawal" otherwise they'll just think you want to play hide and seek with them.

Yes, yes, that's it. Wear fake explosive belts and execute tactical withdrawals. The strategic principle being that when faced with a wolf in sheep's clothing, be a sheep in wolf's clothing. I should write a book: Counterterrorism for British Civilians.

The minority in the fuel supply is the 8 dead people were 1 Canadian, 2 Australians, 1 Londoner, 4 Frenchmen, and 1 Spaniard. :eyebrow:

You make a point that why should Londoners do anything if it's mostly a bunch of furriners who are going to get aced.

I'm kinda done with this conversation.

If it's of any consolation, the simple majority here would agree with the way you're doing things. Of course, their leadership got shitcanned in the last presidential election. The framers of our constitution knew that a simple majority will often take the easy way out for themselves; so, we have built in safeguards. But hey, if it works for you, more power to you as long as you're all playing on a level field. It's just not my cup of tea.

So if it's any consolation you think many of your own people are pathetic cowardly sheep like ours?

Get fucked sexobon.

Most certainly.

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You sweet talker, you.

Well, many of our people are pathetic, cowardly sheep.

I don't know if they're like yours, or not...They speak differently, for one thing.;)

Oh wait. Citizens aren't allowed to be armed there... never mind.

Wow, that's in poor taste.

You know I don't get offended much - I'm not a special fucking snowflake- I certainly don't take things personally in here when dwellars have a dig, because that's what we do - but on this occasion: fuck the lot of y'alls.

Sorry, I was aiming in another direction. Wasn't meant to offend. Seemed more like a summation of the recent posts in this thread.

'S ok. I totally over reacted.

Can't recall if I posted this already, but can't be arsed looking :P


I went looking for a Last Leg piece on today's remembrances of Jo Cox, the labour MP who was killed by a politically motivated nutjob as she left her constituency surgery - (The theme of the show is Reunited Britain - choose love) it's not on youtube yet, but I came across this that made me smile. From shortly after the Manchester bombing)