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classicman 05-17-2012 09:52 PM
Totally disagree. People will look back at how ridiculous this is very soon - relatively speaking.

glatt 05-18-2012 09:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 812106)
No one gives a shit about "Gay" marriage.
Then why are so many states going through the trouble of changing their constitutions to ban it? Why are we talking about it? Why did I see a gay guy lecturing a gay bashing bigot holding a sign in front of the White House yesterday? Why do many of my FB friends post about the issue?

A lot of people care a lot about it. You couldn't be more wrong that nobody cares. Are you high?

DanaC 05-18-2012 10:14 AM
What he means is that he doesn't care. Like racism, he sees it as a non-issue. i can only assume because it doesn't personally affect him.

morethanpretty 05-19-2012 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 812167)
What he means is that he doesn't care. Like racism, he sees it as a non-issue. i can only assume because it doesn't personally affect him.
Its also not a state's rights issue, its a human's rights issue. He's wrong in so many ways.

tw 05-19-2012 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 812106)
No one gives a shit about "Gay" marriage. It is a total distraction. Why? It is a States Rights Issue.
Hate promoted by a political spin machine is not longer working. So the political machine has told their followers to label it a non-issue. To move the issue to where extremists have more influence - at the state level.

It is a sad state that hates gays.

TheMercenary 05-19-2012 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 812166)
Then why are so many states going through the trouble of changing their constitutions to ban it? Why are we talking about it? Why did I see a gay guy lecturing a gay bashing bigot holding a sign in front of the White House yesterday? Why do many of my FB friends post about the issue?
It is a "States Rights Issues" as I stated earlier and as Obama fell back on as an excuse to not take a stand on it from a Federal standpoint. I don't care what individual States do about it. But there is no way you are going to transfer the issue between States and gain legitimacy.

TheMercenary 05-19-2012 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by morethanpretty (Post 812264)
Its also not a state's rights issue, its a human's rights issue. He's wrong in so many ways.
Bull shit. Not in the US. Marriage is not mentioned in the US Constitution, therefore it is a States Rights issue.

tw 05-19-2012 09:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 812374)
Marriage is not mentioned in the US Constitution, therefore it is a States Rights issue.
Quote:
We hold these Truths to be self evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Marriage between any two people is an unalienable Right - except when hate and extremist rhetoric replaces logic. Those unalienable Rights are the fundamentals upon which America was founded.

It is a sad state that promotes hate of gays. Why are you a proud member of such as sad state? Depression? There's a drug for that.

Lamplighter 05-19-2012 11:49 PM
Today's news includes two significant items in the continuing fall out from repeal of DADT last Sept 19th.

Forbes
David DiSalvo
5/19/12

How One Flawed Study Spawned a Decade of Lies
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In 2001, Dr. Robert L. Spitzer, psychologist and professor emeritus of Columbia University,
presented a paper at a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association
about something called “reparative therapy” for gay men and women.
By undergoing reparative therapy, the paper claimed, gay men and women could change their sexual orientation.<snip>

Spitzer, now 79-years old, was no stranger to the controversy surrounding his chosen subject.
Thirty years earlier, he had played a leading role in removing
homosexuality from the list of mental disorders in the association’s diagnostic manual.
Clearly, his interest in the topic was more than a passing academic curiosity
– indeed, it wouldn’t be a stretch to say he seemed invested in demonstrating
that homosexuality was changeable, not unlike quitting smoking or giving up ice cream.

Fast forward to 2012, and Spitzer is of quite a different mind.
Last month he told a reporter with The American Prospect that he regretted the 2001 study
and the effect it had on the gay community, and that he owed the community an apology.
And this month he sent a letter to the Archives of Sexual Behavior,
which published his work in 2003, asking that the journal retract his paper.<snip>

The object lesson worth drawing from this story is that just one instance of bad science
given the blessing of recognized experts can lead to years of damaging lies that snowball out of control.
Spitzer cannot be held solely responsible for what happened after his paper was published,
but he’d probably agree now that the study should never have been presented in the first place.

At the very least, his example may help prevent future episodes of the same.
And on a completely different level...

NY Times
MICHAEL BARBARO
May 19, 2012

In Largely Symbolic Move, N.A.A.C.P. Votes to Endorse Same-Sex Marriage
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The board of the N.A.A.C.P. voted to endorse same-sex marriage on Saturday,
putting the weight of the country’s most prominent civil rights group behind a cause
that has long divided some quarters of the black community.<snip>

All but two of the organization’s board members, who include many religious leaders,
backed a resolution supporting same-sex marriage, according to people told of the decision.

Borrowing a term used by gay rights advocates, the resolution stated,
“We support marriage equality consistent with equal protection under the law
provided under the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution.”
In a statement, Roslyn M. Brock, chairwoman of the 64-member board, said,
“We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination into law.”

Maxim Thorne, a former high-ranking official with the organization,
said that “for certain people, it was a very long evolution and a very long process
of reconciling their faith with this, and coming to a very civil rights understanding
of marriage equality versus a theological understanding of marriage.”

xoxoxoBruce 05-20-2012 12:26 AM
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No one gives a shit about "Gay" marriage.
Except those that want to marry but can't, and the religious right, I think that's pretty much true.

Ibby 05-20-2012 03:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 812374)
Bull shit. Not in the US. Marriage is not mentioned in the US Constitution, therefore it is a States Rights issue.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Ibby 05-20-2012 03:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 812374)
Bull shit. Not in the US. Marriage is not mentioned in the US Constitution, therefore it is a States Rights issue.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Earl Warren, Loving v. Virginia
Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

xoxoxoBruce 05-20-2012 10:37 PM
tw pointed out it's a distraction... so did Merc.
I said the religious right is concentrating on Congress, Governorships, and State legislators.

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The 2012 election should be about what’s going on in America’s boardrooms, but Republicans would rather it be about America’s bedrooms.

Mitt Romney says he’s against same-sex marriage; President Obama just announced his support. North Carolina voters have approved a Republican-proposed amendment to the state constitution banning same-sex marriage. Minnesota voters will be considering a similar amendment in November. Republicans in Maryland and Washington State are seeking to overturn legislative approval of same-sex marriage there.

Meanwhile, Republicans have introduced over four hundred bills in state legislatures aimed at limiting womens’ reproductive rights – banning abortions, requiring women seeking abortions to have invasive ultra-sound tests beforehand, and limiting the use of contraceptives.

The Republican bedroom crowd doesn’t want to talk about the nation’s boardrooms because that’s where most of their campaign money comes from. And their candidate for president has made a fortune playing board rooms like checkers.

Yet America’s real problems have nothing to do with what we do in our bedrooms and everything to do with what top executives do in their boardrooms and executive suites.
the rest

glatt 05-21-2012 07:29 AM
Thanks Bruce. good reminder

Cyber Wolf 05-22-2012 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 812511)
I said the religious right is concentrating on Congress, Governorships, and State legislators.
This guy must not have gotten that memo... his focus on is the Presidency.

Regarding NC's official anti-gay rights stance, it didn't take long for a pastor to publicly go so far around the bend that he's gonna rear-end it.

Stormieweather 05-22-2012 04:04 PM
When did it become ok to sound like a nazi or white supremacist? Since when is it tolerable to incite violence against those we disagree with? To advocate torture and murder and eradication of those who are different than we are?

And yet, we have preachers and political leaders and other people of influence doing just that. Why isn't there widespread outrage and rebuke of such bigotry?

I'm sincerely afraid for the future of the human race if we continue down this path.

piercehawkeye45 05-22-2012 04:40 PM
Besides a very select portion of the population, I don't think anyone thinks that speech was "okay".

There is minimum outrage because no one is surprised a preacher in North Carolina would say that. It is no different than those Westboro fucks...

classicman 05-22-2012 11:07 PM
^^^WHS^^^

Stormieweather 05-23-2012 08:51 AM
Seriously? You think this is an isolated incident? :eyebrow:

BigV 05-23-2012 10:18 AM
Not an isolated incident, not at all. In addition to being bigoted and hateful, it is stupid and logically ... unsound. He's right. No parthenogenesis in the lesbian enclosure, no adoption in the gay cage; no reproduction. They probably would die there, given his plan, terrible and horrific as it is. My question is this, though, you stupid hater: since "they" can't reproduce, since they can't make "more", I want you to explain to me where "they" came from in the first place.

Ignorant hateful fuck.

piercehawkeye45 05-23-2012 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Stormieweather (Post 812794)
Seriously? You think this is an isolated incident? :eyebrow:
I never said isolated. I said very select portion of the population. Big difference.

infinite monkey 05-23-2012 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf (Post 812681)
This guy must not have gotten that memo... his focus on is the Presidency.

Regarding NC's official anti-gay rights stance, it didn't take long for a pastor to publicly go so far around the bend that he's gonna rear-end it.
Good lord, can't we just nuke NC? Listen to these assholes, especially that bursting at the seams boy in the car. Adam and Steve...oh how fucking original. What a clever little dumbass.

Also, gay people don't necessarily beget gay people. Dumbass reporter should have told him that. How stupid does a group of people need to be before they die off from freaking stupidity?

"You need to lay off my pasture."

Fucking numnut fuck.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_bn1...n-fall-out.cnn

Cyber Wolf 05-24-2012 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 812834)
Good lord, can't we just nuke NC? Listen to these assholes, especially that bursting at the seams boy in the car. Adam and Steve...oh how fucking original. What a clever little dumbass.

Also, gay people don't necessarily beget gay people. Dumbass reporter should have told him that. How stupid does a group of people need to be before they die off from freaking stupidity?

"You need to lay off my pasture."

Fucking numnut fuck.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_bn1...n-fall-out.cnn
Loyalty is a fine thing... :rolleyes:

richlevy 05-24-2012 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 812834)
Good lord, can't we just nuke NC? Listen to these assholes, especially that bursting at the seams boy in the car. Adam and Steve...oh how fucking original. What a clever little dumbass.

Also, gay people don't necessarily beget gay people. Dumbass reporter should have told him that. How stupid does a group of people need to be before they die off from freaking stupidity?

"You need to lay off my pasture."

Fucking numnut fuck.
Hey, have some sympathy for the guy. If his sister had run a little faster, he might have ended up gay.

Madman 05-25-2012 02:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormieweather (Post 812711)
When did it become ok to sound like a nazi or white supremacist? Since when is it tolerable to incite violence against those we disagree with? To advocate torture and murder and eradication of those who are different than we are?

And yet, we have preachers and political leaders and other people of influence doing just that. Why isn't there widespread outrage and rebuke of such bigotry?

I'm sincerely afraid for the future of the human race if we continue down this path.
Preachers and political leaders are inciting violence, advocating torture, murder and eradication? OMG! Who's doing that?

North Carolina... doesn't bother me one little bit.

Here's the states where same sex marriage is legal: New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont, and New Hampshire.

morethanpretty 05-25-2012 09:00 PM
It may be a distraction, but its damaging all the same.

Clodfobble 05-26-2012 04:44 PM
I'm just glad that for once it's North Carolina being a bunch of dipshits, and not Texas.

richlevy 05-27-2012 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 813121)
I'm just glad that for once it's North Carolina being a bunch of dipshits, and not Texas.
NC did not even make the final eight in Bill Maher's Stupidest State brackets.

But SC did....

morethanpretty 05-27-2012 03:20 AM
Wow, I can't believe Texas didn't make the list. We tried to defund planned parenthood ffs, and held a convention to pray for rain.

DanaC 05-27-2012 05:07 AM
Say what? A convention to pray for rain?

Wow.

Clodfobble 05-27-2012 08:21 AM
It was our governor pandering, back when he thought he might be a viable presidential candidate. He's the least genuinely religious governor we've had probably ever, so he does double or triple the pandering to try to hide it.

Urbane Guerrilla 06-04-2012 09:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 813150)
Say what? A convention to pray for rain?

Wow.
The US does have to deal with drouthy conditions somewhere pretty regularly. Seems to depend on which wriggles the jet stream takes in a given year. Drought years in England tend to look like average-rainfall years to us. So this sort of thing is popular when things get bad enough you might as well pray for it.

I remember thinking, busing through Scotland, "Boy, you just can't die of thirst in this place. Not without breaking both legs or your back."

morethanpretty 06-04-2012 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 813797)
The US does have to deal with drouthy conditions somewhere pretty regularly. Seems to depend on which wriggles the jet stream takes in a given year. Drought years in England tend to look like average-rainfall years to us. So this sort of thing is popular when things get bad enough you might as well pray for it.

I remember thinking, busing through Scotland, "Boy, you just can't die of thirst in this place. Not without breaking both legs or your back."

It may be popular to pray for rain but not to have a whole state government sponsor a *christian* religious event for the prayer. That's the what whole the government should not favor a religion clause is in the US Constitution to prevent.

TheMercenary 06-05-2012 07:43 PM
And to this day most people, including myself could give a shit about the issue of "gay marriage"..... after all this banter it remains a "States Rights" issue. Nothing short of a Constitutional Amendment will change that it that is not going to happen. I am among those who could care less. Let the States deal with the issue.... People can move to where they feel it suits their lifestyles.

Ibby 06-05-2012 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 813943)
And to this day most people, including myself could give a shit about the issue of "gay marriage"..... after all this banter it remains a "States Rights" issue. Nothing short of a Constitutional Amendment will change that it that is not going to happen. I am among those who could care less. Let the States deal with the issue.... People can move to where they feel it suits their lifestyles.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 812412)
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Quote:
Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.

TheMercenary 06-05-2012 07:47 PM
"Basic Civil Rights" is a made up bullshit thing.... it has nothing to do with the US Constitution...

TheMercenary 06-05-2012 07:49 PM
Marriage is NOT an issue discussed under the 14th Amendment. Fail. Reaching. If it was that easy it would have been settled in the 1800's.


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