Wait, so you dont think it matters that the anti-Muslim links are still prominently displayed on that page.

OK. If that is how you want to play it.

As I pointed out in my initial post, there were others (mostly speaking on Fox) that used the event to suggest that if Norway had been more involved in the US "war on terrorism", they would have been better prepared to respond.

Rush Limbaugh told us that evil Muslims were subverting ‘hollow’ ground in NYC with a mosque. You mean it might not be true? You mean wacko extremists again lied to moderates? Gasp! Maybe Saddam did not have WMDs? So why did we massacre 4,500 American soldiers for mythical reasons? Gasp! Could many blindly believe what Fox News reports? Gasp! No wonder so many in a New Orleans convention center were not threatened by five days of no food and water. That also must have been fear mongering.

Or maybe its not so much about fear. Maybe its about routine lies justified by an extremist political agenda? Fear is simply another tool. Create strawmen (ie Saddam). Define them as evil. Then rally the troops. Evil Muslims are building in mosque in lower Manhattan! Gasp! Muslims must be shooting Norwegians because we all know Muslims are evil. Gasp!

The best evil is invented by the most evil.

If Malkin had removed the previous entries you would currently be lambasting her for whitewashing. And rightfully so. The stuff she posted and left up there is simply examples of Islamists threatening Norway. Hey, in case it turns out to be Islamist, here are the Islamists who threatened Norway.

She merely posted facts. Facts you do not dispute.

Was it wrong to suspect Islamists? No, everybody did, including Islamists and especially those Islamists who took credit. As my Arab friend said, and I posted to this thread:

Back on point, my question was: The answer to my question: "No, I do not".

So what you're left with, at the end of all this, is some unnamed people saying things you think they said, on a channel you don't watch.

:lol2:

You have a hard on for me don't you? You get a stiffy everytime I post?

Ohhoooooo..... the liberal Fox Bogey Man! The most popular news channel on cable for like 6 years running....:D

So where is the problem when we have the likes of Soros, Huffington, and the talking heads from MSNBC?

And the most popular beer is Bud Light, which is also garbage.

LOL.

Nice twist. Much like you did with other interactions we've had. Very Classic of you.

But what I am left with is the fact that the thrust of Malkin's post was anti-Muslim rhetoric, even after knowing the facts.

And others on the right with lame attempts to divert the discussion away from the perpetrator to Norway's "lack of commitment" to the bogeymen "war on terrorism"

Maybe if Norway had been more involved they would have been more ready, however, you could counter that question simply by asking how ready anyone can be for a random attack.

Nobody expected busses to be blown up in London, but they were pretty heavily involved with the war on terror. No one expected a bar to be blown up in Bali which was crammed full of people from countries involved in the war on terror.

It's just bullshit reporting. It happens every day. See the Murdoch thread.

The ultimate goal of most terrorist acts, whether by Muslim extremists or White, anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim nationalists, is not simply to attack innocent victims, but to provoke a disproportionate reaction, either in support of, or opposition to, the self-proclaimed martyr's act.

IMO, posts like Malkin's (even if it is only hers alone, but it is not) only feed that frenzy among those who might, at some level, support such horrific acts.

Where I guess we disagree is that I think those type posts should be called out for what they are. At the very least, they are not helpful.

I.e., no defense.

Precisely the opposite. You offered various twists, and instead of grasping at them, I focused directly on your statement.

You avoided your statement, focusing on other things, attacking me, and then finally restating your statement with new detail and without the half that was clearly wrong.






one more thing.





Michelle Malkin is a fucking cunt. I say that as a male feminist. I can't stand her. It's personal with me. Her sneer, her smug self-satisfaction. And I think she's said some really hateful things and I think she needs a dose of humility somehow.

I guess its in the eye of the beholder.

You demand that I admit I was wrong about Malkin, because she updated her post to include a statement about the perpetrator.

I think the fact that the bulk of her post said nothing about the perpetrator and was all about what she cited as a Muslim threat to Norway (which had absolutely nothing to do with this horrific act) did nothing to change my opinion about her post and, in fact, supported my position.

I've seen that trick before from you. Only taking or twisting the facts that suit your demand.

But we do agree on Malkin. :)

Well their product obviously appeals to the masses.... Anyone but Obama in 2012!

Why can't you understand why deleting her original post would be the height of dishonesty? She jumped to the same conclusion that most of the world did, then updated it with the correct information when it became available. That's how it should be done, not removing the original post.

Because it's Malkin and she writes trash! (for trash)

She exposes the truth for what it is....

She lies regularly.

Prove it.

Prove that she tells the truth.

No, you said she lies, prove she lies. Otherwise STFU.
:D

No, you said she exposed the truth about liberals and I say she lies why doing it. You can shut the fuck up because you are a dense mutha who doesnt know shit.

:corn: Ok Einstein... :lol:

lol

Nicely put Pico.

I've taken your statement and shredded it in front of you.

The honorable thing would have been to take the statement out back of the barn and put it out of its misery. Instead, it's given the above final defense, perhaps the lamest end of all, and hung out on the line for the whole neighborhood to look at.

Along with an assembly of attacks on me which had nothing to do with it, which you just couldn't avoid -- even after I warned you about changing the subject to me.

This urge to bullshit, this urge to label and wage war, and to disrespect other people's opinions; it's not smart, it's just basically bad behavior. And where are you now for it? You've ruined another thread flinging turds in every direction.

But (UT takes off commenter hat, puts on moderator hat) what makes it kind interesting is that, usually, when someone is banned and comes back under another name, they try to avoid the behavior that got them banned earlier.

So, Redux, how many more threads are you going to ruin?

Let's say you get two more.

What I did was respond to Aliantha's post with my opinion.

You jumped all over my ass, disrespecting my opionion, and I responded.

And that ruined the thread.

It's all me and not you at all.

*shrug* If you say so. :rolleyes:

@ UT: That's unfair. The thread had organically moved into a discussion about how the right and left are/were reacting to things. It began with Wolf and I, if anything. It stands to reason that will devolve into right versus left and become precisely the conversation it did.

For the record, you appear to be doing just as much point scoring and are drifting just as fully into a left-right shit flinging contest, you're just doing it in a reasonable tone.

Update on the situation: initial estimates that there may be as many as 86 dead on the island might be revised down a little, but there are still missing people and nobody knows the final figure yet. Most of them are teenagers. It's a holiday Island used by various youth organisations for summer camps.

Apparently he used dum-dum bullets. Fuck.

Thats how I see it too.

Read harder. I'm not a right winger. I haven't voted for a Republican since 2004. I was labeled one and now here we are.

Voting Republican or Democrat is not what makes someone right or left wing. I don't actually think of you as a 'right-winger' so much as someone who leans right. More specifically, i think you lean right on some issues and lean left on others. Overall, I'd say you are on the right of centre.

What is the difference between an extremist and a moderate? A moderate knows nothing until the facts with numbers are provided. A moderate suspects the worst when one says, "She exposes the truth for what it is.... " Subjective reasoning somehow becomes "The Truth"? That is a first symptom of extremism.

117 papers say that global warming does not exist. But he did not learn the facts and numbers even in one? He only knew what his political handlers told him to believe. An example of extremists who knows - facts and numbers be damned.

We have a problem on this side of the pond. With so many educated by extremist rhetoric (rather than facts with numbers), then the last election saw mostly moderate Democrats removed from office. A budget deadlock happens when a political agenda replaces facts with rhetoric. When people know because "He exposes the truth for what it is..." without factual details and the numbers. When extremists dominate the Congress.

There are extremist Democrats and Republicans. And moderate Democrats and Republicans. In the American Congress, extremists apparently outnumber moderates. Making it impossible for John Bohemer to make a deal without being backstabbed as extremists did to Newt Gingrich.

In this thread, extremists are identified again. Not just a gunman who needs hollow point bullets because we should all have them. Important to a political agenda is to be the first to tell the dumbest among us how to think. Islam is blamed long before any facts are known. Just as George Jr immediately blamed Saddam on the morning of 12 September. The dumbest among us will only hear the first thing we are told to believe (ie smoke cigarettes to increase health). And then avidly deny any honest facts later by even using insults.

Important for extremists is to be the first to tell their disciples what to believe - honesty and facts be damned. We all saw Michelle Malkin doing just that. Telling us how to think long before honest facts existed. Extremist doing what extremists do best: lie to promote a political agenda.

Something I hadn't even considered: watching the news tonight, and the procession with many of the leading politicians. The reporter pointed out that the governing Labour Party has just lost a massive swathe of its next generation of leaders. 76 dead at the camp. Most of them the teenagers attending the Labour Party youth camp.

Another worrying snippet is that the guy who did it claims membership of a neo-nazi group based on the Knights Templar. He says that the group were set up in Britain, and organized into training cells. He also claims to have had dealings with an anti-immigration organisation in Britain (English Defence League), though they are denying that.

Also blame the Michigan Militia and Ted Kaczynski. Little difference exists between extremists. Extremism works when so many do not even recognize it. Hate is a fundamental characteristic that even justifies murder. Be it Mission Accomplished, 11 September, protecting pedophile clergy, or Kansas City. Nobody even expected the Spanish Inquisition. All examples of extremism.

I've been sitting here, puzzling at that remark for a few minutes. Then I googled. I assume you mean 'fema' nazis?

Sorry. I was busy trying to refine that post. Eliminated the expression. However go ask Urbane Guerilla for the exact spelling. And for the spelling for IslamoNazis. Both examples of creating mythical evil for a political agenda.

I wasn't trying to be a spelling nazi ;p I was genuinely puzzled at what the extreme feminists had to do with all this :p

Feminist are not extremist. Extremists invented the evil to empower their own political agenda. Create mythical threats to inspire their followers.

Another example of extremism creating mythical evil: The threat is those who create these mythical evil (ie Femi Nazis) for a political agenda. Remember the 'axis of evil'? Only extremists would have created this.

Ahhh. Ok. I understand now. I thought you were talking about the Fema camps thing.

What is a Fema camp?

Your tax dollars at Non-Work.......;)

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Dana: I have no idea what the original context of tw's quote was since it's been edited for clarity, but just so you know, "feminazi" is a term coined by Rush Limbaugh (at least 15 years ago) as a derogatory synonym for "feminist."

Not to be confused with Fembots!

That was my initial reading of it...but it didn't seem to make sense in context, so I figured maybe 'femonazi' was a different word rather than a mispelling of feminazi, and google gave a couple of different possibles, including 'femanazi'.

:D

Glen Beck has associated the Labor's Youth Outing with a Nazi Party rally. Like any good extremist, he is inventing evil to inspire his followers. Those evil liberal kids.

Eventually he will apologize. Why bother? Bias from extremists is predictable. He really did want to rally his followers with hate. He will be sorry only to have picked a bad example.