I didn't say that I agreed with regulating fast food, I merely pointed out that the government (taxpayers) does have a vested, financial interest in the issue.

The left wing socialist liberal way of dealing with the issue would be for taxpayers to pay for people's fast food, pay for their healthcare when it makes them ill, and pay for their funerals when they kick. The right wing fascist conservative way of dealing with it would be to let the people eat their fast food, psychopathically ignore them when it makes them ill, and let them rot where they are when they kick. The proposal is between those two extremes, and so is moderate.

Have you forgotten the Marichiko vs. Lumberjim pay per view cage match already?

Who stuck that dic inside you? Why are you suddenly being so nasty, illogical, and stupid to everyone? Bruce, has your handle been stolen by UG? The tone and logic in your many replies has clearly changed.

What crawled up you ass and died?

Fuckin' A they are.

Hmmmmm
A small (12 fl oz cup) contains:
180 calories
44g sugar
80 IU Vitamin A
70 mg calcium

12 fl oz of Coke contains:
120 calories
33g sugar
0 IU Vitamin A
0 mg calcium

refresh my memory...

iirc - marichiko, despite her very dire circumstances, smoked the very costly American Spirit cigs...but that's all I remember...

That's pretty much it, and LJ called her out on it. Her dire circumstances and her CO poisoning.

What if I said that muslims offend me ?

No no... But I wouldn't have a problem with them requiring those food items to be made without chemicals, fillers, and preservatives. Or, say, preventing the McDonald's beef from being rinsed with ammonia, or the McDonald's cheese to actually be made from 100% cheese...

I said, giving money to a non-profit does NOT make it a tax deduction, it has to be a CHARITABLE organization.
I don't know what the fuck your problem is, but you keep fucking with me, and you'll suddenly remember that last time you started this shit.:mad:

That's not what Frisco is doing though, is it?

It is, indirectly--they put a maximum amount of allowable sodium in the meal, and a large portion of preservatives are sodium ________. They put a maximum amount of allowable fat, and beef from a higher quality source would simultaneously contain less fat and also not need to be rinsed with ammonia for sanitation.

But to be perfectly honest, another reason I don't have a problem with this is I think putting toys in kids' meals is a bad idea to begin with. How freaking spoiled do our kids have to be, to be entitled to a gift every time they eat? In my house, rewards are attached to doing something meaningful or worthwhile. Frisco didn't say "you can't serve this," or even "you can't serve this to kids." All they said was, you can't bribe the kids with toys, the parents have to make the decision to feed their kids this stuff without any added pressure.

How about some of that buttered popcorn over there?

Pass it please.

What you want, or disapprove of, for you and yours is fine, but your can not (not suggesting you are trying to) speak for everyone else.

That's my point, the Frisco City fathers are imposing their wishes on everyone. I don't care if they take a public poll and 99% agree with them, of course if that were true McD's would be boarded up by now. But anyway, the majority don't have the right to impose on the minority in this Republic. Now don't tell me it already happens here or there, I know it does, but that's a matter of having the power not because it's right... it's not.

But you never answered the parallel question... how is it different from a blue-collar employee saying they are willing to take a job at a factory with no safety standards, and it's not fair for OSHA/unions to enforce such safety features on them? How is it different from the government saying you have to wear a seatbelt in your car, even though it's not fair to make the auto industry install them, and to make me pay a higher cost for my car if I want to drive without one? How is it different from saying you can't market cigarettes to minors? I believe there are times when the right choice needs to be legislated, because corporations are not usually going to make the best choice for us as individuals.


Edit to add: Just noticed Merc's comment, and wanted to note that I'm not all in a tizzy about this, I'm just discussing. This is actually a relatively recent philosophical change for me--I have been much more libertarian in the past, but I've realized it's not practical because our society's never going to be hard-hearted enough for it.

It's different because it's a city council, singling out just kid's meals, and more specifically with "free" toys.
National standards on the safety of the ingredients, to protect the public, is different than regulating recipes of how those ingredients are put together. I don't eat them often, but every once in awhile I want a big old cheesesteak, with enough grease and salt to dissolved the roll before I can finish it. I certainly don't want the government, especially a stinking city council, saying I can't have one because somebody else might try to let their kid live on the damn things.

If they don't like the way parents are parenting, take it up with them and leave me and McD's out of it. Hopefully the parent will tell them to pound sand. Nobody is forced to go to McD's, it's only one of many options for parents, and from the numbers I've seen, most kids don't go that often.

That's a hell of a lot easier that finding a new job if your employer doesn't provide the option of the proper safety gear. And it is an option. Try as they might, and I've seen some pretty heavy handed trying, companies can't make employees follow safe work practices 100% of the time, except in a very few jobs where the employee is monitored 100% of the time. Just like they can't force people to wear seat belts, only make sure they have the option.

This tin horn city council is taking away choices, and with it personal responsibility, so anyone that supports them is a commie, pinko, socialist, PC nazi, nogoodnik. :haha:

But they didn't say that. All they said was they can't put a toy inside the bag with your cheesesteak. And if you think the toys don't play a role, just ask my stepdaughter, who at the age of 10 was trying to convince us that she should be allowed to order two kids' meals, because she wanted more food than was in a single kids' meal, but wanted that stupid piece of plastic so badly that she didn't want to order off the adult menu. She was way too old to even care about the things, at least half the time she just threw them away... but it was a free toy, and who knows what it might be?! She didn't want to miss out on that!

Yes, in an ideal world everything ought to be up to the parents. But the reality is, parenting is hard enough without businesses making it more difficult. They are not letting the parents fairly decide what they want for their children, they are deliberately pitting the children against the parents, and hoping that the parents cave to a bad decision. They put toy displays all over the grocery store, and candy displays in all the checkout lines, because they want the kids to make a scene.

I'm not buying these stats. Sure, they only go to McDonald's once a month... and they only go to Burger King once a month... and they only go to Chick-Fil-A once a month... and they only go to Taco Bell once a month...

The regular kids that I know--and these are in moderately self-righteous suburban soccer mom circles to begin with, all of these parents would insist they feed their kids "pretty healthy"--they eat at one fast-food place or another about once a week.

Businesses have always done this, do you think Sears and Monkey Ward spent a fortune printing and mailing all those catalogs so your outhouse wouldn't run out of paper?

When I was a kid, I frequently suggested that my parents could make me very happy, buying me stuff in the prominent store checkout displays, or "As Seen on TV". I really don't know if it would have made me happy, but apparently it made them happy to ignore my suggestions.
Now Mom's in an $11,000 a month nursing home, so I guess I got over it.


Edit; One nasty, greasy, salty, fast food orgasm a week is hardly going to ruin the health of a kid eating good shit at home. The real problem is kids and mothers have to much free time to get in trouble. If mom was churning butter and beating the laundry on rocks, while the the kids were sorting clinkers from coal down by the tracks, this wouldn't be an issue.:p:

I agree, the problem is larger than a once-a-week fast food binge. But I think this is a step in the right direction, and in no danger of being a lost-rights slippery slope.

Hey, could you teach my kids the difference between clinkers and coal? They're extremely good at sorting, I could make a fortune!

You'll need a fortune at $11,000 a month.

Any interference from the local politicians of legal business, or parental rights, is always a slippery slope.

Hell that's easy, slap 'em up side the head when they pick up the wrong one, they'll learn right quick.