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classicman 10-05-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 686667)
He is still having difficulty because TARP may have made a profit. It contradicts what extremist politicians have been preaching for years. A bridge loan called TARP may have literally saved the American economy ... and earned a profit. It may have been one of the better investments that Republican made. (So why did those same extremists blame the Democrats? Or will they now take credit for creating TARP?)

I was following Shaws lead (see congreeshores) and was channeling Themercenary. I believe even he thought it was funny.

Both parties passed the initial TARP. Virtually EVERYONE was on board at that time.
But you just go ahead an keep posting your unnecessary and unrelated partisan, extremist attacks. Its so new and refreshing. :scream:

Shawnee123 10-05-2010 12:19 PM

Regarding humor or tongue-in-cheek: never follow my lead. It's not worked for me so far.

Spexxvet 10-05-2010 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 686673)
Both parties passed the initial TARP. Virtually EVERYONE was on board at that time.

But the republicans are blaming Obama for "the deficit caused by bailouts" in many political ads.

classicman 10-05-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 686676)
Regarding humor or tongue-in-cheek: never follow my lead. It's not worked for me so far.

Especially when you post your snarky bullshit comments to a humorous reply to one of your own posts.
Perhaps a "we were just kidding" tw would have been a better alternative than being a bitch. Just sayin'. <no smilie>

classicman 10-05-2010 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 686682)
But the republicans are blaming Obama for "the deficit caused by bailouts" in many political ads.

Then they should grow a friggin pair and call the R's out on it.
However, I think they R's are referring to subsequent bailouts. Whatever works better for them - some things never change.

TheMercenary 10-05-2010 01:18 PM

This explains it fairly well....

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The irony in this drama is that the money at stake is, in the larger scheme, trivial. Raising taxes on the top 2% of households, as Mr Obama proposes, would bring in $34 billion next year: enough to cover nine days’ worth of the deficit. Indeed, the problem with the tax debate is not that Democrats and Republicans disagree, but that they mostly agree. Democrats think 98% of Americans should not pay higher taxes; the Republicans say 100% should not.

Taxes this year will come to less than 15% of GDP, the lowest share since 1950. The two reasons for this are the recession, which has left a diminished tax base, and the legacy of broad-based tax cuts in 1997, 2001, 2003 and 2009. Taxes are expected to rise to 19.6% of GDP in 2020 if all the tax cuts are extended; raising rates on the rich would lift the ratio to only 20% (see chart). That is nowhere near enough to pay for federal spending, estimated at 24% of GDP in 2020. “Citizens could be forgiven for forgetting that there is any connection between spending and taxes,” says Len Burman, a tax expert at Syracuse University.
http://www.economist.com/node/170434...TOKEN=35979115

daviddwilson 10-11-2010 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 685785)
I saw that too and all I could think was welcome to the country that made it possible for you to earn that much money. :rolleyes:

Yup. And wealthy fucks will always support their right to pay an insignificant drop from their ocean of wealth as taxes. As long as the rest of us are prepared to pay substantial chunks of our meagre earnings to keep the country running why would they care?

The slate article 'reinforces' wealth envy, but that envy is alreayd there to begin with, and frankly, I think that envy is justified. The obscene extremes of wealth and privelege that provoke that envy in the first place: that's unjustifiable.


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HungLikeJesus 10-11-2010 07:26 AM

When did DanaC become daviddwilson? (See post 15.)

TheMercenary 10-11-2010 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 687720)
When did DanaC become daviddwilson? (See post 15.)

:lol:

Shawnee123 10-11-2010 08:15 AM

Why do people keep doing that? They sign up just to repeat a Dwellar's post? It's been happening off and on...very strange!

Undertoad 10-11-2010 08:17 AM

What that is --

The spammers are upping their game... tremendously. They have now reached the point where they attempt to resemble real people.

This one is from Vietnam.

Shawnee123 10-11-2010 08:21 AM

Luckily, Miss Dana can never be duplicated: she's one of a kind, and she doesn't spam us. :)

Spexxvet 10-14-2010 07:41 AM

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O'DONNELL: But what I'm proposing is to give these tax -- to make sure that the tax cults for our Delawareans do not expire this January. You have said that you will stop the tax cuts for the so-called rich. What you fail to realize is the so-called rich are the small business owner, the dry-cleaner down the street, the pizza shop owner who makes $300,000 before they pay their four employees, before they feed their own family...
The tax on a proprietorship or partnership is calculated after expenses are deducted. Is she lying, stupid, or both?

xoxoxoBruce 10-14-2010 08:16 AM

That's the result of being coached in rhetoric, without understanding the reasoning. It's easy to be wrong, but she can do it with a straight face.

Happy Monkey 10-14-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 688317)
The tax on a proprietorship or partnership is calculated after expenses are deducted. Is she lying, stupid, or both?

Not to mention that even if that was all taxable income, they would only be paying the pre-Bush rate on $50,000 of it.

classicman 10-14-2010 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 688317)
Is she lying, stupid, or both?

Both. There is no doubt. I don't think she even cares if she wins. She gonna make a mint off the notoriety. Heck she'll probably be a Faux analyst by Christmas.

tw 10-16-2010 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 688330)
That's the result of being coached in rhetoric, without understanding the reasoning. It's easy to be wrong, but she can do it with a straight face.

That is the purpose and point. Many will believe her only due to presentation. Many will simply ignore that facts and numbers. She looks honest. Therefore she must be telling the truth.

Christian Colleges require courses that teach how to 'present'. How to move facial features makes some people 'appear' to be honest. Presentation rather than facts are only important to those most easily manipulated by lies.

Why was George Jr so successful? He entered a town, remembered everyone's name, and appeared to be so honest. He was a master of 'presentation'. And was a mental midget. George Jr was the perfect front man. So is Palin. And so is O'Donnell. Many only see the presentation – then believe what they are told to believe.

So many only 'feel' what is true rather than 'learn' what is true. 'Presentation' rather than 'knowledge or honesty' is important. Even explains why 4,400 Americans were killed in Iraq for no purpose.

smoothmoniker 10-17-2010 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 688641)
Christian Colleges require courses that teach how to 'present'.

Huh? You mean like a public speaking class?

tw 10-17-2010 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker (Post 688805)
Huh? You mean like a public speaking class?

More than public speaking classes. Students are video taped to learn facial expressions; how to move eyebrows and how to manipulate the music of a voice. To learn how to raise, lower, and present words. It is not about content and logic. It is all about presentation. How to spin a feeling.

A listener can judge based upon two criteria. The first is to ignore the presentation; instead listen for facts. Second is to listens only for a feeling. O'Donnell (as did George Jr) is completely about the presentation. She is superb. Simply memorize canned expressions and illogical soundbytes. Her soothing presentation means those 'second listeners' know she must be honest. They 'feel' the presentation; ignore the facts. And it works.

It was, for example, how so many knew you smoke cigarettes to be healthier. Or knew cough drops cure a common cold. Or bought GM cars even though doing so put Americans out of work and cost more money after the purchase. Image. Presentation. Facts be damned.

Some of the best presentations were caustic, crude, annoying, and right on the money. Some people knew it was wrong only because they 'felt'. Others saw reality by ignoring 'feelings' and other irrelevant emotions. It says why some so love O'Donnell and why others see her as a facade. When it comes to presentation, she is a master. As was George Jr.

Anyone who discounts O'Donnell because her appeal is superficial is ignoring why so many judge and vote as they do.

xoxoxoBruce 10-17-2010 07:07 PM

What "Christian Colleges"?

classicman 10-17-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 688815)
O'Donnell is completely about the presentation. She is superb.

Superb at what? Shes an idiot and she sounds and looks like one when speaking.

Which Christian college did you attend?

I am rather sure that most colleges, christian or otherwise teach classes like that as well.

smoothmoniker 10-17-2010 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 688815)
More than public speaking classes. Students are video taped to learn facial expressions; how to move eyebrows and how to manipulate the music of a voice. To learn how to raise, lower, and present words. It is not about content and logic. It is all about presentation. How to spin a feeling.

Cite.

classicman 10-17-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker (Post 688839)
Cite.

Dream.

smoothmoniker 10-18-2010 01:55 PM

TW used to call himself a professor. I'm just asking him for the minimum due diligence for his frothy whipped bullshit, as any good academic would.

tw 10-19-2010 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker (Post 688924)
TW used to call himself a professor. I'm just asking him for the minimum due diligence for his frothy whipped bullshit, as any good academic would.

60 Minutes (I believe it was) reported on what is taught in these colleges about 10 years ago. They showed students being videotaped. Then analyzed for how their facial muscles must move to make themselves appear to be more honest. I believe the concept was called kinesis.

O'Donnell demonstrates characteristics of one carefully trained in same. Do not know if she receieved such training. But what she does well is presentation. How to appear honest. As I believe classicman notes, the words and concepts behind her presentation are empty. She is all about image. And that, unfortunately is enough for many to believe her. Image alone was sufficient for O'Donnell to defeat a long time, popular, and highly regarded Republican Congressman from Delaware.


I never called myself professor. Would not even consider such a title. And have no idea where that idea even came from.

xoxoxoBruce 10-19-2010 02:25 AM

A ten year old 60 minute show about some college, does not warrant the blanket statement, "Christian Colleges".

Griff 10-19-2010 05:38 AM

Agreed. Besides didn't she go to Hogwarts?

Pete Zicato 10-19-2010 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 688991)
I never called myself professor. Would not even consider such a title. And have no idea where that idea even came from.

I think I do. One of the default user titles is "Professor" 365-399 posts. If you were using the default title in that period...

xoxoxoBruce 10-19-2010 09:24 AM

... but he played one on the web.









And stayed at Holliday Inn Express.;)

classicman 10-19-2010 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 688991)
60 Minutes (I believe it was) reported on what is taught in these colleges about 10 years ago. They showed students being videotaped. Then analyzed for how their facial muscles must move to make themselves appear to be more honest. I believe the concept was called kinesis.

I believe you are referring to a piece that was about schools for those who wished to become televangelists such as Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Jerry Falwell, Oral Roberts and the famous Joel Osteen. Thats a big difference than just a Christian College.

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O'Donnell demonstrates characteristics of one carefully trained in same. Do not know if she receieved such training. But what she does well is presentation.
She's cute and "perky" (like a mini-Palin.) but thats about it. Not to many. Her presentation sounds immature, uninformed and shallow. She has ZERO substance.
A change from what we got in 2008. Interesting how "hope & change" has morphed into something as ridiculous as this.

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Image alone was sufficient for O'Donnell to defeat a long time, popular, and highly regarded Republican Congressman from Delaware.
Not as popular as one would have believed, apparently. Then again, perhaps complacency took over. Perhaps that apathy led to this situation.

I listenend to her debate Coons this am on the radio.
OMFG - First off, she doesn't know which amendments are which and then she asked where in the constitution was the part about separation of church and state. I had to turn it off.
I strongly dislike Coons opinions, but I'd put yard signs up for him at this point - just to ensure she doesn't win. This woman is beyond pathetic. Its truly sad that the choices to elect our representatives have come to this.

smoothmoniker 10-19-2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete Zicato (Post 689037)
I think I do. One of the default user titles is "Professor" 365-399 posts. If you were using the default title in that period...

Ah. I did not know that. It fit so well with TW's tone that I assumed it was his choice.

Happy Monkey 10-19-2010 01:37 PM

Did tw really have less than 400 posts in February 2003?

Pete Zicato 10-19-2010 01:47 PM

By looking at his join date and total posts, I see that tw has about a half a post per day average. So, yeah that seems likely.


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